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Topic: e lowers |
Tony Williamson
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North Carolina, USA
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Posted 18 May 2012 7:28 am |
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| I'd like to hear pros and cons of having the E lower on Lkr vs R kl. Is lkr emmons? Whats the other? |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 18 May 2012 7:48 am
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I believe Emmons drops his with RKL.
The advantages and disadvantages of each position are pretty style-dependent, as well as style-shaping. Someone who drops the Es with the same knee that drops either 6 or 2 would end up not using some licks and melodic devices that I rely on.
Does that make sense?
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Tony Williamson
From:
North Carolina, USA
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Posted 18 May 2012 8:41 am
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| oh absolutely. i am so doggone used to that lower being on my left leg but i dont want it to prevent something real purty from happenin. the e lower on my superpro is on the right knee, but it is sooo hard to get used to. |
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Fred Glave
From:
McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 18 May 2012 9:08 am
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My personal understanding of it is that the Emmons set up is designed to have the E lowers on LKR so the A&B pedals can be used easier with it. The Day set up has the pedals arranged CBA left to right, so the E lower lever works better on LKL or on a Right Knee lever.
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 18 May 2012 9:18 am
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Apparently, I'd been wrong about Buddy, and everyone was wrong about Jimmy. Have a look at
http://b0b.com/tunings/stars.html#E9be
I don't see Jimmy dropping his Es at all
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 18 May 2012 9:31 am
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| it's not so cut and dried, though. i've always lowered e's with rkl and raised with lkr. somewhat day setup on pedals. this makes a smooth logical transition from lower to raise with smooth leg movement. this used to be a very individual personal instrument and many people prefer to develop in their own manner as opposed to being locked into someone else's plan. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 18 May 2012 9:48 am
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Oh I believe it still is very individual, Chris.
There is very little agreement as to what 5 knee levers, let alone where they should be.
And I've noticed as 4th and 5th pedals gain ground, their functions vary widely
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Fred Glave
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McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 18 May 2012 10:28 am
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I agree. The instrument was not invented in one fell swoop, but rather evolved. Just look at the beginnings of the instrument such as the Multi-Kord and the period where there were absolutely no knee levers. Instead of being locked into a specific design, it's nice to have a set up that can be changed if you think you might like to try doing something different.
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 18 May 2012 10:29 am
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According to that chart, Jimmy lowered only the 8th string, like Lloyd.
Buddy Emmons is pretty much viewed as the one who "set the standard" of having the E raises and lowers on the left knee!
I've never quite gotten the argument that having them on the left knee makes it "easier." To my mind, the easiest arrangement would be to have them both on the right knee. The "both on left is easier" concept only considers the A+F and B+E combinations. With the left knee setup, the left leg has to do double duty; rocking the ankle leftward to press the A pedal only while holding the E lowers to the right, for example, is a relatively awkward move (at least for me). Likewise doing the B pedal + E raises on LKL. I can do those moves, but it seems easier to me to let one leg press the pedal and the other press the lever.
But I started out with a Sho-Bud setup (raise LKL, lower RKL), and I like the smooth transition between raises and lowers, so I've stuck with that. 
This is a classic Forum thread discussing these options, with interesting input from BE and PF:
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=29594&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Last edited by Brint Hannay on 18 May 2012 12:35 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 18 May 2012 10:31 am
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from what i had understood the E lowers on RKL was initiated by Sho Bud
Whereas the E lowers on LKR was Buddy's set up |
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 18 May 2012 11:22 am
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My only reason for having E raises and lowers on left knee I because of volume pedal. E raises and lowers are the most used knee levers and therefore on left knee to keep from interfering with volume pedal as much as possible. Some players it doesn't bother them but it does me. I used to have my E lower on my RKL and I play Day setup. I liked it there because of some of the stuff was easier to play using E lower with both pedals but at times messed up my volume pedal smoothness so I changed over to left knees.
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D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Joerg Hennig
From:
Bavaria, Germany
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Posted 18 May 2012 12:29 pm
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| I started out with "classic Emmons" (both on the left), then went to the Sho-Bud setup (Raise on LKL, lower on RKL), then tried both on the right knee - raise on RKL, lower on RKR - and have kept it that way ever since, to me it feels just right. I admit I got the inspiration from Buddy Cage, I believe the old MSAs came also with that setup. I just like it better not having to bend my left leg when working the pedals and the E string changes together, with the F lever too. Never had a problem with the volume pedal, either. This is one nice thing about PSG being able to personalize those things the way they feel best to you. |
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Dick Sexton
From:
Greenville, Ohio
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Posted 18 May 2012 1:10 pm Hummm!
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| Sounds like the making of a poll... |
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Tony Williamson
From:
North Carolina, USA
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Posted 18 May 2012 1:57 pm
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| When I was a boy I played a pro one which was both on left. But I use augmented and diminished chords a lot. Yes its smoother and easier with them split...but habits are so hard to break. I have different setups on different steels..I don't think about it when they're both on the left..but when they're split I lose a little fluidity. Lol not that it matters with my playing.. |
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