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Topic: Questions about concealed neck pickups in the National NY |
Dennis Smith
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Covington, Georgia, USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2012 9:04 pm |
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Hi. The 1936 and 1937 National Hawaiian (new yorker) ele guitar had one blade pickup at the bridge and 2 conceled neck pickus. The 36 had 3 vol and 1 master vol and the 37 had master vol and the 3 way selector. What type of pickups were concealed in the neck? Any photos? Why did they go to the single pickup after that? Can anyone point me to any sound and or video's where one is being played? Why didn't the pickup's in the neck feedback?
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John Bushouse
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Posted 12 Mar 2012 10:50 pm
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Here are some pics of a seven string I used to own. Pretty much everything I know about the pickups is in the captions on the pictures.
http://smu.gs/yofAu3 |
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Kelvin Monaghan
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Victoria, Australia
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Posted 12 Mar 2012 11:00 pm
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Hi Dennis, i have a 37 New Yorker with the 3 pickups each pickup consists of a coil for each set of three strings and they go thru a couple of caps , .047 for the bass strings .022 for the 3 treble strings.
There are a few clips on Youtube ,however the National in those videos sounds very bassy and unflattering,my National is very clean and clear the neck pickups sound very much like the inbetween Strat tones.They seem to be humcancelling as well.
Hope that helps,
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James Hartman
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 13 Mar 2012 5:27 am
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| John Bushouse wrote: |
Here are some pics of a seven string I used to own. Pretty much everything I know about the pickups is in the captions on the pictures.
http://smu.gs/yofAu3 |
Cool! thanks for posting the photos.
I've been wondering about this also. Love to play one of these with the extra, covert pickups, or at least hear one in person. I have a late '40s New Yorker I really like, but of course only one pickup on it.
Kelvin's comment: my National is very clean and clear the neck pickups sound very much like the inbetween Strat tones.They seem to be humcancelling as well. has me even more intrigued. [/quote] |
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Dennis Smith
From:
Covington, Georgia, USA
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Posted 14 Mar 2012 4:08 pm
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Hi
Thanks guys. Anyone have a photo of the inside that show the pickup mounted?
Dennis |
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Rick Aiello
From:
Berryville, VA USA
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Posted 14 Mar 2012 4:52 pm
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Here's the photos I took while working on Fred K.'s NeW Yorker ...
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Rick Aiello
From:
Berryville, VA USA
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Posted 14 Mar 2012 5:08 pm
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A schematic I made ...
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Dennis Smith
From:
Covington, Georgia, USA
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Posted 14 Mar 2012 6:41 pm
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Wow Rick 
more than I could have hoped for.
Thanks Dennis |
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James Hartman
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2012 6:47 am
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| Wondering if any of the National Grand Console D8s had the concealed neck pickups. Or do the Grand Console models all post-date that era? |
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Noah Miller
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Rocky Hill, CT
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Posted 26 Mar 2012 9:47 am
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| The Grande Console was introduced around the same time as the New Yorker. The early ones did indeed have hidden pickups, but, as with the New Yorkers, these are extremely rare compared to the post-War models. |
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James Hartman
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2012 7:54 am
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| Noah Miller wrote: |
| The Grande Console was introduced around the same time as the New Yorker. The early ones did indeed have hidden pickups, but, as with the New Yorkers, these are extremely rare compared to the post-War models. |
Thanks for the info. Wasn't finding so much on the console models. I'm guessing the ones with the big square pickups/plexi pickup covers are late '40s/'50s, yes? |
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Michael Lee Allen
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Portage Park / Irving Park, Chicago, Illinois
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Posted 27 Mar 2012 10:23 am
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James Hartman
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2012 10:31 am
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If they look like this they are post-WWII, starting in 1947...
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As does mine. That was what I thought. Thanks. |
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Michael Lee Allen
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Portage Park / Irving Park, Chicago, Illinois
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Posted 27 Mar 2012 10:35 am
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Michael Lee Allen
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Portage Park / Irving Park, Chicago, Illinois
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Posted 27 Mar 2012 10:39 am
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James Hartman
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2012 10:48 am
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Thanks, Michael. Haven't seen one of those pre-war console models in a long time.
Reminds me of one I passed up years ago at the 1st Daddy's Junky in Boston - at the time $299 (or there about) seemed a lot of cash for an old lapsteel.  |
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Michael Lee Allen
From:
Portage Park / Irving Park, Chicago, Illinois
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Posted 27 Mar 2012 10:59 am
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Fred Kinbom
From:
Berlin, Germany, via Stockholm, Sweden.
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Posted 28 Mar 2012 3:31 am
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Hi,
You probably have all the info you need already, but in this thread there are plenty of pics of hidden pickups in different New Yorkers too:
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=132669
| Kelvin Monaghan wrote: |
| There are a few clips on Youtube ,however the National in those videos sounds very bassy and unflattering,my National is very clean and clear the neck pickups sound very much like the inbetween Strat tones. |
I guess that is a matter of taste - I personally love the dark, deep, bass-rich and acoustic-like tone of the hidden pickups in the two New Yorkers with such pickups that I have played. The sound is not for everything, that is for sure, but I think it is a really cool and atmospheric sound in its own right.
Cheers,
Fred
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Dennis Smith
From:
Covington, Georgia, USA
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Posted 29 Mar 2012 1:55 pm
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Hi Fred
Thanks, all info is welcome. I tried to listen to you post but not a facebook member. Could you post it on the forum?
Thanks Dennis |
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Fred Kinbom
From:
Berlin, Germany, via Stockholm, Sweden.
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Posted 31 Mar 2012 7:44 am
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| Dennis Smith wrote: |
| I tried to listen to you post but not a facebook member. Could you post it on the forum? |
Hi Dennis,
Do you mean the youtube video in that thread? I might have pulled it from my public videos. Let me know if that is what you meant and I could make it public for a while again if you like. 
If you mean the facebook link in my signature, I'm not sure if you can access the music on there if not on facebook.
Cheers,
Fred
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Dennis Smith
From:
Covington, Georgia, USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2012 10:40 am
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Hi Fred
It was the youtube video. Don't where I got facebook from.
Dennis |
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Fred Kinbom
From:
Berlin, Germany, via Stockholm, Sweden.
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Dennis Smith
From:
Covington, Georgia, USA
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Posted 2 Apr 2012 3:56 pm
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Hi Fred
Nice playing. I like the dark tone of the guitar. It has a good feel to it.
Were you useing all three pickups?
Dennis |
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Peter Huggins
From:
Van Nuys, California, USA
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Posted 3 Apr 2012 12:52 am
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There is a pre-war double 8 up on ebay right now, for a few more hours. I have no affiliation with this auction, just thought the pictures would be a good thing to look at. It is not perfect, but is being offered as a 'project' guitar.
Grins, Peter
http://r.ebay.com/elN81i
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