Thoughts on "zero" pedal..

Bob Carlucci · From: Candor, New York, USA

I love my Fender 800.. 6 pedal and 4 knees..
I have been considering a pedal postion change, and would appreciate input.
Here's the pedal setup, and an overview of why I want to change it.

Pedals 123-[ABC pedals] standard Emmons.
Pedal 4-Drops string 6 a full tone.
Pedal 5-Drops string 5 a full tone
Pedal 6-raises string 1 a full tone, and string 2 a half tone.

As you can see, pedals 4 and 5 are a variation of the Franklin Pull, however, I split it and don't drop the low B, but may in the future..
Pedal 6 I use a lot, often in conjuntion with my A/B pedals, and its combersome in the pedal 6 position.. I was considering moving the current pedal 6 1st and 2nd string raise to the first pedal position, and all other changes moved "one over". to the right . This would give me a more natural position for the AB changes as well, since my current setup makes it tough for me to rock off my ab change to hitting just the A pedal with the side of my foot. As it is now, I have to "flat foot" the A pedal... Its too far to the left with the LKL lever there. With the AB changes in pedal postitions 2 and 3 it would be very easy, plus the first sting 2nd string raise change would be very close by, instead of picking my foot up and going across all the other pedal to hit it. Its a more natural leg/foot position. Remember, that change is usually used in close context with my AB changes..

So I guess this is my question..

Does anyone else have a pedal in the zero position, and then use thier abc pedals one over to the right??.
I am concerned that I would do a lot of setup work, only to find I keep hitting the wrong pedals due to years of conditioning. Does it become second nature quickly, or does it take a long time to get used to?..
I know this looks complcated and convoluted in print.. Any thoughts would be appreciated. bob
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Per Berner · From: Skovde, Sweden

I have "the Franklin pedal" in the 0 position on my Zum, and still after a couple of years I often hit the wrong pedal. I suppose more frequent playing would change that eventually, though. But I haven't found any use for that specific change, so I'm thinking of going back to a standard setup and find a new use for the fourth pedal.

Georg Sørtun · From: Mandal, Agder, Norway

I have moved the pedals over to make space for a "zero" pedal on my GFI.
On Dekley I have left the ABC pedals in place, and just added the "zero" pedal at the left.
Haven't experienced any real "hitting-the-wrong-pedal" problems either way.

"Zero" pedal on my PSGs lowers 5th and 10th string to A - doesn't lower 6th string, so I can tune the split with the A pedal for perfect C, B or Bb with both "zero" and A pedals down. Also find it easy to get a smooth C# to A, or A to C#, roll-over between the "zero" and A pedal.

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

I like having ABC starting at the second pedal position. It's just a more comfortable seating position for me. I don't have a hard time adjusting when I sit at a "standard" D-10, but it doesn't feel as natural to me.

Since this is your main guitar, you should set it up to be ergonomically correct for your body. It won't take long for your reflexes to adapt to the copedent change.
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Bob Carlucci · From: Candor, New York, USA

Jim Eaton · From: Santa Susana, Ca

I have 2 guitars that have an additional pedal beyond the standard ABC changes and one has 2 additional pedals. Both are 12 string Ext E9th guitars. I have the "Zero" pedal on both set up with G#-G on 3/6/11 and the pedal is to the left of ABC. I find no more problem with returning my foot to be centered on AB after using the the Zero pedal that I would after using BC and it didn't take long to get use to the new "Home" location of the AB pedals when I 1st got these guitars. I'd say go for it and you will get use to it in no time.
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James Jacoby · From: Ohio, USA

Hi Bob. I just stumbled on your post, today, about the zero pedal. I have two Carter S-10s set up like that. When I bought the first one, I wanted a Franklin pedal added, but I agonized for a while about the position of the Franklin in the zero position. I, at first, wanted it located to the left of the normal position of the A B C pedals, thinking I would have difficulty re-training my left foot if I moved all the pedals one position to the right. Rick Troyer of Hummingbird Music Studio, who sold me the guitar, and was setting it up for me, talked me into puting the Franklin in the old A position and moving all the other pedals one position to the right. After playing it for a very short time, it all seemed just as natural as before. One thing I did, though, was set the Franklin pedal much lower than all the rest. This kept me from accidentaly hitting the Franklin while working the A B Cs. Worked so well for me, that I bought a second Carter S-10, and had Rick set it up the same way. Now I have a practice/backup steel, and a take out PSG set up exactly the same way. Doesn't mean, my system would necessarily work as well for you, but I thought my perspective might help you decide which way you want to go with your project. Good luck! -Jake-

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