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Topic: Refinishing Lacquer guitars |
Larry Robertson
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Denver, Colorado, USA
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Posted 7 Mar 2012 8:32 pm |
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I've got a MSA Vintage XL D-10 that has parts of it's blue lacquer finish faded. Who knows how to refinish these guitars that have decals under the finish? The "MSA", and a border on the front of the guitar, and the words "Vintage XL" are decals. Can they be replaced or removed & re-applied? Thanks, Larry
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Gianni Gori
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Livorno, Italy
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Posted 8 Mar 2012 4:00 am
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Saving those waterslide decals is impossible!
Even if the were not overspryed with clear laquer (and they are!) you would surely end up breaking such large decals while removing.
The laquer coat makes it all impossible; the sanding process will "erase" them away.
For what I know is nearly impossible to find NOS replacements to apply, I have been looking for years.
I gave it up and used a fretboard by Tom Bradshaw, original plastic emblems and self made abalone inlays...
My MSA was in very bad looking conditions, it could only get better, and I am very satisfied with the result.
In your case, just evaluate if the lacquer fading is really worth accepting some look changes.
Good luck! 
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Bill Ford
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Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 11 Mar 2012 3:43 pm
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I think the older MSAs are screenprinted, saw some pictures of the factory, and what looked like screenprint boxes. The MSA logo was a decal on the older mica guitars.I have a 1982 S12,the universal, that appears to be screenprint.
Bill
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Bill Nevins
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st.charles,Missouri, USA
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Posted 11 Mar 2012 7:55 pm
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I'm sure if you have a graphics program that you could copy or recreate the logo with and print your own on this decal paper.You would probably have to cut it out close to the edge of the logo.I am wondering if you put it under your clear lacquer it would probably stay on as good as the original.
http://www.decalpaper.com/category-s/2.htm |
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John Allison
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Austin, Texas, USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2012 6:07 am
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What Bill says is do-able. You'd have to find a clear image (a quick search turned up a few possible candidates) and do some work in Photoshop, but you should be able to come up with something you could print on clear decal paper. Once you have that, you're in business. Still a lot of work to get a lacquer finish looking really right. Unless you have a lot of experience with finishes, I'd suggest letting a good professional do the work.
I had a thought about the possibility of masking the logo area and re-tinting and clear coating, but by the time you get that much new lacquer over the old stuff, you'd likely have problems with checking and crazing.
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Allison Stringed Instruments
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Kevin Mincke
From:
Farmington, MN (Twin Cities-South Metro) USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2012 7:11 am
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| do a search on the forum as someone was able to make the "waterslide" type decals that were used. Good photos, measurements or the guitar in person to a graphics design shop should be abled to duplicate them. I would see if AJ Nelson (does all Show~Pro and did the Sho~Buds years ago) or Mark Giles from Texas could refinish it. There are several others on the forum, but these two come to mind. |
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Michael Yahl
From:
Troy, Texas!
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Posted 12 Mar 2012 12:32 pm
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All of the graphics on those guitars were in fact silkscreened on.
I have spoken to Reese about this and the screens to reproduce them are long gone.
He doesn't recall how many different graphics patterns there were for the borders, but I have seen at least 3 different ones.
Just FYI.
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John Allison
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Austin, Texas, USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2012 12:54 pm
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If you're thinking of sending it to Texas, my shop specializes in lacquer finish and we've done a number of PS cabinets.
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John Allison
Allison Stringed Instruments
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Bill Ford
From:
Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 12 Mar 2012 4:10 pm
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Larry,
Check your email...Bill
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Larry Robertson
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Denver, Colorado, USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2012 7:52 pm
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Hey all you guys. Thanks for the responses & ideas. I think for now I am going to leave it the way it is. It's good to know all of the stuff you guys said about decals & silk screen. It sounds as though some of the "pro" finishers could do it, but it's probably price prohibitive. My Vintage XL sounds real good and I don't want to risk changing it and although the finish is not pristine, it's not trashed, just faded. I'll just look at it as an old "road worn" telecaster! Thanks again for the input. Larry
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Bill Ford
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Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 13 Mar 2012 4:17 am
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The antique folks call it patina, I call it caricature, if it sounds good, and plays good, go for it !!! BF
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