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Topic: Sha Na Na country tune with pedal steel... |
Bob Carlucci
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Posted 24 Feb 2012 8:05 am |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXenMbR3nUE
A very cool, kind of novelty country gospel tune.. The steel is not always in tune, but it has a cool honky tonk vibe, that I like and understand, because its kind of the same way I play.. Half the notes hit, and half are in tune!
I really like this song... bob
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Bo Legg
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 24 Feb 2012 9:32 am
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Not terrible to me by any means.. I loved it.. Loved Fire on the Mountain as well.
Here's a little something Jerry played ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kChN_L3pDzc
Me and old Steve Stills- must both be tone deaf.. You know, enjoying Jerry's playing and all.
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Bob Blair
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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Posted 24 Feb 2012 10:25 am
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| I dig this and always have since I first heard it decades ago. At Festival Express in Calgary in 1970 "Son of Sha Na Na" came out (the day after Sha Na Na blew everyone away with their choreographed rock and roll show) and did a few original tunes including this one. And in that particular case, I recall (dimly but I believe accurately) that they were assisted by none other than Jerry Garcia on pedal steel. Someone on another thread said that it was Eric Weissberg playing on the record. |
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 24 Feb 2012 10:44 am
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| Bob Blair wrote: |
| I dig this and always have since I first heard it decades ago. At Festival Express in Calgary in 1970 "Son of Sha Na Na" came out (the day after Sha Na Na blew everyone away with their choreographed rock and roll show) and did a few original tunes including this one. And in that particular case, I recall (dimly but I believe accurately) that they were assisted by none other than Jerry Garcia on pedal steel. Someone on another thread said that it was Eric Weissberg playing on the record. |
Whoever it is, I love what he did.. Could have been a bit more in tune, but it so reminds me of the steel I had heard for years in honky tonks, sometimes out of my own amp, that I became enamoured of it in short order,,, bob
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Bo Legg
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Posted 24 Feb 2012 11:36 am
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| I have yet to hear anyone playing steel come close to being perfectly in tune from begaining to end of a song. |
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Archie Nicol R.I.P.
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Ayrshire, Scotland
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 24 Feb 2012 12:17 pm
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| Seems more intonation than tuning. We're a picky bunch. Still, it fits the peice. |
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 24 Feb 2012 12:52 pm
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| Bo Legg wrote: |
| I have yet to hear anyone playing steel come close to being perfectly in tune from begaining to end of a song. |
Bo, I'm on your side.. You are getting angry over nothing.. If I didn't love it, why would I have posted it?.. It reminds me of MYSELF, and a million other players I have heard.. get it?..
I love the sound and the feel on the song.. So the guys bar placement wasn't perfect, so what?
Thats why I like it.. I was NOT complaining about it... I thought I was being good natured about it, just as I am about my own decidedly imperfect pitch and picking accuracy... jeez...
bob
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Joe Miraglia
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Jamestown N.Y.
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Posted 24 Feb 2012 1:31 pm
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| Bo Legg wrote: |
| I have yet to hear anyone playing steel come close to being perfectly in tune from begaining to end of a song. |
I'm so happy that you guys can hear if a player comes close to being perfectly in tune. Does that help you with your own playing and intonation! Joe |
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Joachim Kettner
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Posted 24 Feb 2012 2:10 pm
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| I'm so happy that you guys can hear if a player comes close to being perfectly in tune. |
Joe, I'm amazed by cour comment. It was only one guy so far, who criticized and that was Bo.
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Billy Tonnesen
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R.I.P., Buena Park, California
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Posted 24 Feb 2012 2:57 pm
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| Maybe the Steel was just fine. Could it be the singers were the ones out of tune ? Whether the Steel was in tune or not, it was not overplayed and I liked it ! |
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Joe Miraglia
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Jamestown N.Y.
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Posted 24 Feb 2012 3:21 pm
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| I'm so happy that you guys can hear if a player comes close to being perfectly in tune. |
Joe, I'm amazed by cour comment. It was only one guy so far, who criticized and that was Bo. |
Joachim, You are right. I gusss I was just generalizing, not trying offend anyone. |
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Archie Nicol R.I.P.
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Ayrshire, Scotland
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Posted 24 Feb 2012 3:34 pm
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Eric was probably distracted by those fellas watching as he rowed down river with Burt and the boys. 
Arch. |
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Bo Legg
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Posted 24 Feb 2012 7:29 pm
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This was purely sarcasm on my part and I only said that because I thought the steel playing was perfect enough for me. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 24 Feb 2012 7:37 pm
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I see it as their own parody of country gospel music. Therefore, the out-of-tune nature and overall "pitchy-ness" of the pedal steel is probably intentional, much like the off-key solo singing in the song.  
'Ya been had, just like the Marcels' fans. |
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Joachim Kettner
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Germany
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Posted 24 Feb 2012 11:58 pm
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Eric Weissberg with Judy Collins, the audience seem to like him 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs5Rk5J-HPc
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Archie Nicol R.I.P.
From:
Ayrshire, Scotland
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Posted 25 Feb 2012 1:46 am
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What Donny said.
Arch. |
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Marc Friedland
From:
Fort Collins, CO
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Posted 25 Feb 2012 10:12 am
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I imagine everyone has slightly different tolerance levels of how close a pedal steel or any instrument needs to be played with “correct” tuning & pitch in order to enjoy listening to it. And then when you consider not everyone’s ears are the same – that leaves a lot of grey area. I know when something sounds in correct intonation to me, but I certainly don’t claim to be an authority for all others to accept. And it also doesn’t mean I can execute what my ears are telling me perfectly on to the pedal steel.
And that leads me to another question – sometimes when listening back to a recording from a night’s work, what I expected to hear was much different. Some (not all) times musical parts that I was dreading to hear because I thought I played them poorly & pitchy, were actually pretty good, while parts I was sure I did well, sounded off and sort of musically incoherent as compared to inspired playing. So which time was accurately correct – what I heard & felt at the moment of playing or what I heard later when listening back? And yes, I understand the theory that the tape doesn’t lie, but I still think it’s a valid question.
I don’t usually like to “qualify” any recordings of my performances before playing them for someone, but there are times when it’s appropriate to do so…
Perhaps the steel player on the Sha Na Na recording was having technical or physical problems, or just jamming along fishing for ideas, and wasn’t aware that this “one” take would be forever saved with no opportunity of editing. We just don’t know, and to me any of those reasons justify a less than perfectly intonated performance.
And BTW – yes I hear “pitchy” parts that if it were me I’d want the opportunity to change those parts, but it’s still listenable to me, adding a pleasant flavor and doesn’t get in the way of me appreciating the total song.
Bo –
“I have yet to hear anyone playing steel come close to being perfectly in tune from beginning to end of a song.”
Are you exaggerating or is that a true statement?
Are you saying you can hear discrepancies each & every time the pedal steel is playing a note that’s not (in your definition) perfectly in tune? And does perfectly in tune mean to you that it “sounds” correct or that if that note was isolated on a meter it would read something other than close to center on an accepted tuning device? And yes I understand that you can still enjoy listening to music that’s not 100% on pitch for an entire song.
I’m not being anything other than truthfully interested in wanting to know what you mean by your above statement.
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Chris Tweed
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Cardiff, Wales, UK
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Posted 25 Feb 2012 10:22 am
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| Marc Friedland wrote: |
… And that leads me to another question – sometimes when listening back to a recording from a night’s work, what I expected to hear was much different. Some (not all) times musical parts that I was dreading to hear because I thought I played them poorly & pitchy, were actually pretty good, while parts I was sure I did well, sounded off and sort of musically incoherent as compared to inspired playing. So which time was accurately correct – what I heard & felt at the moment of playing or what I heard later when listening back? And yes, I understand the theory that the tape doesn’t lie, but I still think it’s a valid question. …
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One possible explanation, which I have encountered, is that apparently we hear differently with each of our ears. One hears slightly sharp to the other. So, if you are listening through headphones, say when recording, the results will sound different when you listen through speakers. At least that's what I have found. YMMV
Chris |
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David Higginbotham
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Lake Charles, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 26 Feb 2012 7:07 am
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I like it! I like the style and it sounds like the player was having a great time! I frequently hit off notes and do things that aren't "correct" as I'm constantly trying out new things to see how they sound. Some sound great and I discover something new. Many sound terrible and I know not to try that again! 
Now the singing? Uh, um, next topic please!!! |
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