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Topic: Haste versus Taste |
Andy Volk
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Mike Neer
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NJ
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Posted 10 Feb 2012 7:16 pm |
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Al DiMeola was one of my idols when I was 16 until about 18, but I lost interest in what he was playing because it was nothing but scales--no chromaticism, just uninteresting and not jazzy in any way to me anymore.
Tuck is really great--I've seen him both solo and a few times with Patti. I feel much more in common with him than DiMeola in some ways, but I still really enjoy some high intensity playing, too, ala Allan Holdsworth, Pat Martino and even Steve Morse.
John McLaughlin embodies everything I love in the modern guitar--not a great straight ahead player, but just a beautiful artist. Pat Metheny is another.
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Ron Whitfield
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Posted 10 Feb 2012 7:32 pm
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| The mention of Steve Morse and the others reminds me of the night I saw opener Steve totally blow DeLucia/DiMeola/McLaughlin off the stage in just a 5 min. soulful encore after 2 cold hrs. of the 3 virtuosos. |
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 10 Feb 2012 7:59 pm
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Got nothing against high intensity jazz shredding - just against chops for chops sake with little musical content. When Tal Farlow, Metheny, Howard Roberts, etc. played fast there was creativity and musical meaning. In the gypsy jazz world, Birelli Lagrene (at his best) and Stochelo Rosenberg (90% rote licks but beautifully executed) can play some stuff.
In the steel world, most E9th speed picking leaves me cold. When Emmons played fast - here again - there was taste and musical meaning.
I dearly wish I could play at DiMeola's tempos. Then I wouldn't. |
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David Mason
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Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 10 Feb 2012 11:14 pm
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| As Morse himself has said, speed is one of the easier things to accomplish, if you've got a metronome, a few years and several hours a day to put into it. To be able to think, hear, and improvise at a higher tempo also requires that you practice thinking, hearing and improvising. I have a couple of DiMeola's albums from this century and he's gotten better at those things. |
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William Lake
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Ontario, Canada
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Posted 10 Feb 2012 11:16 pm
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My dear old guitar teacher, Tony Braden, bless his soul, used to call them "Lotsa notes guitar players"
They remind me of my dear old Aunt Violet. She could talk a blue streak for hours on end and never say a thing.
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Paul Sutherland
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Placerville, California
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Posted 10 Feb 2012 11:19 pm
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I just listened to all of the Tuck video, plus about 3 others of him on You Tube.
I didn't make it all the way through the other guy's video. It just wasn't that interesting. |
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CrowBear Schmitt
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Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 1:53 am
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Exhibit B, without a doubt !
never really dug Al Mineola |
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Joachim Kettner
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Germany
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 8:47 am
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| It always surprises me when Ollie's name get's a mention. Mr. Under The Radar. |
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Joachim Kettner
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 9:19 am
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It's nice that you've heard of him too Ron.
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Mike Neer
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NJ
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 9:39 am
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I have all those early records that Halsall did with Patto, Boxer and Tempest. Excellent player--never liked him near as much as I did Holdsworth, who is a god to me, but still I liked him a lot.
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Mike Neer
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 9:44 am
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Andy, this one just kills me: Pat Martino, The Special Door from his 1972 Live! LP. I know you're not a big fan, but I've never heard another player with the ferociousness, drive and stamina that Martino had in his prime. Secondly, I love the electric piano, which just may be my favorite instrument at this time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml_3RqcQdgo
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Joachim Kettner
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 9:53 am
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A question Mike: does Allan Holdsworth have the Rock'n'Roll and the (although seldom) "keep it simple" attitude that Ollie has? If he's only "virtuoso" I wouldn't be interested in him.
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Mike Neer
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NJ
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 10:19 am
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No, Allan has always been reaching for something else. He is a jazz and classical music enthusiast. There is some Cream-era Clapton influence in his very early playing, but much of what inspired Allan came from Coltrane and American Jazz musicians, as well as Debussy, Ravel and other composers. He was quite a bit beyond Halsall in that respect.
Here is a great example of Allan's playing circa 1980. Beautiful chordal work (inspired by the sound of the steel guitar) and lovely improvisation. His playing is deep and wonderful, but not meaningless.
This is called White Line:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su6IGyOBwvQ
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 12:45 pm
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| but I've never heard another player with the ferociousness, drive and stamina that Martino had in his prime. |
Mike, Martino certainly is exciting and announces himself when it's his turn to solo but to my ear, his playing has a typewriter quality that just doesn't move me very much. As good as he was, Tal has some of this same quality. Holdsworth is in a category by himself. I dig his chordal stuff more than the Coltrane-on-guitar stuff but great guitarist, no question. |
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Joachim Kettner
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Germany
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 2:20 pm
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Thanks for the reply Mike. Not for me, to be honest.
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