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Topic: What rack-mountable delay/reverb unit are you using? |
John Neff
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Athens, GA
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Posted 15 Nov 2011 2:38 pm |
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| I have a Revelation preamplifier going into a T.C. Furlong cabinet. When I got this rig, I went ahead and bought...maybe I shouldn't say the brand, but the model was an M-One effects unit. It sounded GREAT, but it kept freezing up on me. I bought it as a B-stock from Musician's Friend, thinking I'd save a little $. No factory warrantee, lesson learned. Although I was very happy with the sound of the unit while it was working, i can't see myself buying another. What are you players with racks using? |
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Mike Kowalik
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San Antonio,Texas
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Posted 15 Nov 2011 2:54 pm rack effects............
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| Yamaha REV100 is a great choice......usually available on eBay......but don't pay more than a hundred bucks or you've been screwed........... |
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Dave Grafe
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Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 15 Nov 2011 3:31 pm
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The M-One is a great unit, John, I have not heard of one locking up before except whan it was heavily overdriven. Like all digital gear you can't slam the front end like analog to get fatter sound, digital clipping does not sound good and can lead to processor overload and/or shut-down.
The "Strings" patch on the old Yamaha REV7 is my favorite for most pedal steel work, particularly with the full 100ms predelay, and it has a remote pad but it also comes in a 2RU package. The 1RU SPX90 still works too, and either of these can be purchased used and clean for under $100 if you shop around.
Lexicon makes a bunch of MI units that many folks here can tell you about, but the PCM60 and PCM70 reverbs I have used with big smiles all around, also PCM41 and PCM42 delays, both of which feature envelope-derived modulation - vastly superior to the common pure sine-wave modulation - which I have not seen on any other delays.
With the advent of astro-surplus and a devastated economy there are a lot of decent deals out there, just don't get a reverb that does not allow at least 50ms of pre-delay. Why is the subject of another thread..... |
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John Neff
From:
Athens, GA
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Posted 15 Nov 2011 4:00 pm
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| Thanks, Mike and Dave. I noticed the M-One locking up more frequently on warmer stages. Now that I see that the unit is still in production, I may try having it repaired/replaced. Dave, I will look into "pre delay" and "envelope-derived modulation". |
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Dickie Whitley
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Posted 15 Nov 2011 4:12 pm
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Dave, I bought an M-one because it worked well with the parallel effects in the Revelation preamp.
From the Revelation Manual:
FX – This knob is actually a stereo effects blend control. Since the effects loop in the RTP is
parallel and not series, the FX knob acts as a mix control that blends in the returns from your
effects unit along with your pure-tube dry signal. This also means that your FX unit needs to be
set at 100% effect or else you may experience some unpleasant comb-filtering or phasing
sounds. If you have both delay and reverb used simultaneously in your effects unit, be sure to
configure the effects unit to route the two effects in parallel, not in series, and set the effect mix
to 100% effect and no dry signal.
Will these Lexicons work with that type input? |
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 15 Nov 2011 5:24 pm
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It's too bad about the TC Electronic gear being a bit less reliable than it used to be. Seems to be the way of the world these days.
I do like the TC stuff, sonically and feature-wise, especially when you get into the M-One or higher class of their products. I actually use a cheapo TC M300 (predecessor to the M350) with my Rev. It's not the most amazing reverb, but it's really pretty good and my favorite part is that it's incredibly easy to use with the Rev's parallel loop using both delay and reverb parallel and simultaneously.
Nearly all of the cheaper Lexicon stuff (mx and mpx series) WILL NOT do this routing properly. As you try to turn one effect down relative to the other, it introduces dry signal, which we definitely want to avoid when using parallel loops.
The Lexicon MPX-1 may be among the very best units I've heard with the Rev, but it's truly and completely no fun at all to program. But once you've got it set up for a parallel loop, those reverbs are really hard to beat.
Personally, I've enjoyed the sound of Yamaha's better digital reverb units over the years. But I don't know if they have a unit that will do the dual effect, parallel, 100% wet topology we need.
But my short answer in general for most people who ask me what to recommend for the Rev is the TC M-One. That's my first choice. Then I will also recommend the M300 or M350 because of the extreme ease of use, no menus, all knobs, tap tempo, and reasonably good reverb and delay. 3rd is the MPX-1 and the only reason it's not #1 is because of the extremely frustrating process of programming the proper routing. Definitely designed by geeks and not musicians, but sounds killer.
The people at Strymon hinted that they may be working on a delay/reverb unit that could handle line level and also give the 100% wet mix we need. Their pedals are so good, I hope they deliver.
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Jason Hull
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Posted 16 Nov 2011 1:10 am
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Last edited by Jason Hull on 22 Apr 2012 3:26 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Thomas Ludwig
From:
Augsburg, Germany
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Posted 16 Nov 2011 2:08 am
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| Boss SE-70, 9,5" half rack |
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John De Maille
From:
On a Mountain in Upstate Halcottsville, N.Y.
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Posted 16 Nov 2011 5:34 am
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I heard about the "G Major" unit. How good is it and user friendly is it and what are it's capabilities?
I'm using a ProFex 11 right now, but, I'm open for something new. |
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 16 Nov 2011 6:48 am
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 16 Nov 2011 9:55 am
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The Revelation and Lexicon units do work well together, also the Eventide H3000 and similar - which have no internal mix adjustment - will work with the Rev pre.
The great advantage of the M-One is that it can be configured to provide two discrete effects, such as chorus or delay AND reverb, individually routed and controlled in the same unit... |
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Larry Behm
From:
Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 20 Nov 2011 8:04 am
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Boss VF-1 had been my mainstay for years. The Boss SE-70 is also a great little unit, many effects and easy to use.
Larry Behm
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'70 D10 Black fatback Emmons PP, Hilton VP, BJS bars, Boss GE-7 for Dobro effect, Zoom MS50G, Stereo Steel amp, Telonics 15” speaker.
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Christopher Woitach
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 20 Nov 2011 3:35 pm
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MPX-1, and why does everyone think it's hard to program? I love it.
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 20 Nov 2011 4:23 pm
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No personal experience with the Lex unit Christopher, but they are great sounding.
I'm using Multi-fx boxes from Boss and Roland. GP100, SX700, SE70. Others as well, but these 3 are either mounted in racks w/amps or in stand alone cases to use in component systems as needed.
One thing I really like about the Roland and Boss stuff is that you can use an ordinary foot switch as controllers over programs and parameters. Midi pedals not necessary.
A really great digital tape echo sim w/modulation is the Chandler Stereo Digital Echo. They are old technology, but great sounding. Same with the Ibanez DM 1000, 1100 etc. edit: [Neither of the latter 2 contain reverb, btw.]
Probably my next acquisition will be the Boss GT Pro if and when availability within my budget presents itself.
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Ron Randall
From:
Dallas, Texas, USA
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Posted 20 Nov 2011 4:29 pm
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Lexicon PCM 70.
It is an old one but a great one. |
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Mark van Allen
From:
Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 20 Nov 2011 4:35 pm
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| Hi, John. TC M One with Walker Stereo Steel amp for me. It's been great, and dependable, and I've beat that rig to death. |
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Carl Kilmer
From:
East Central, Illinois
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Posted 21 Nov 2011 7:05 am
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Hi John, I use the TC Elec. M One-XL with my Walker Stereo Steel amp.
I've tried so many different ones in my days, and this is the best and
the cleanest sound I've ever had. It is hard for me to program tho. 
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aka "Lucky Kay"--Custom built Rittenberry SD10 3X5, Walker S/S, NV-112, and Hilton Pedal |
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chas smith R.I.P.
From:
Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 21 Nov 2011 9:13 am
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| Eventide H-3000 in my "playout" rack and Eventide H-8000 in the recording rack. Also in the "playout" rack, when I just want reverb, I have a Demeter Real Reverb. |
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Paddy Long
From:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 21 Nov 2011 7:06 pm
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TC M300 in each rack.
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14'Zumsteel Hybrid D10 9+9
08'Zumsteel Hybrid D10 9+9
94' Franklin Stereo D10 9+8
Telonics, Peterson, Steelers Choice, Benado, Lexicon, Red Dirt Cases. |
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Clete Ritta
From:
San Antonio, Texas
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Posted 21 Nov 2011 10:20 pm
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| Yamaha E1010. I love it and wouldn't trade it for anything, except maybe the same sound with a longer delay (300 msec max)! |
Jason, I was just reading some reviews on this unit and found this little tidbit which may be of interest to you:
"...it's not just up to 300ms delay, as most think! If you open it, you can adjust the delay trimmer (many trimmers inside, but it says delay next to it) You can have over 2 seconds of delay!...Though it has some noise at extreme settings, but up to ~ 1 second or so, there is no noise!"
All the talk of rack effects has inspired me to put a rack back together with stuff Ive had laying around in the garage. Although I dont have a Revelation preamp, The Tubeworks Mosvalve 962 has a nice warm compression I like. I routed a Hilton VP into a Yamaha SPX90, then stereo outs into stereo ins of a Digitech DSP 128 and stereo outs to the Mosvalve A and B channels into 2 2X10 cabs. I ran a dry signal from the Digitech to a Korg tuner too. I wasnt sure about 10" speakers, but these are actually bass speakers with larger magnets than typical guitar speakers. It actually sounded really good! The only drawback is that the Tubeworks amp has a loud fan which is a bit distracting, but when I took it out and ran longer cables to isolate it, I could hear how quiet the whole system is. This is the first time I have played steel thru a stereo amp with stereo effects, (besides using Logic). The amp was hardly on and produced plenty of volume, so this may work as a live rig.
The Digitech 128 is older and not super quiet but manageable, and it does several effects together. The SPX90 does one effect, but it sounds great. Off topic, but anyone else tried a 10" array instead of 15" with pedal steel guitars?
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Ray Leroux
From:
Vulcan Alberta CANADA/Thousand Palms CA.
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Posted 25 Nov 2011 8:56 am
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| I,ve been using a Yamaha SPX900 for 20 yrs. I mainly use the Rev and ocasionaly some chorus,compression and symphonic effect. Its a reliable unit as well as warm in its signal processing. |
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Bruce Hilton
From:
Berwick, Maine, USA
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Posted 10 Dec 2011 6:15 am
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Fender 1000
Session 400
IQ = <100 |
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Ken Adkins
From:
Galena, Mo
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Posted 10 Dec 2011 12:32 pm reverb
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| I'm with you, Bruce |
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 10 Dec 2011 1:49 pm
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| Roland GP-100 with preamp shut off. Nice reverbs and delays. You can pick these uints up inexpensive and I stay with them because they sound nice and I can edit them easily. My 2 cents.... |
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