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Topic: Double Stop Knee Lever Or Lack Of Question??? (help) |
Richard Grasty
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DEKALB Illinois, USA
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Posted 17 Aug 2011 10:57 am |
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IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE A SINGLE STOP LEVER TO A DOUBLE STOP LEVER? I HAVE A OLDER DECKLEY AND WANT TO DROP THE SECOND STRING FORM D# TO D BUT ALSO TO C#..IS THERE A WAY TO DO THIS? IM LOOKING FOR INFO ON THIS MATTER(PLEASE).... I KNOW COULD GET EXTRA ROD AND HOOK TO A DIFFERANT LEVER BUT WONDERING IF SOMEWAY TO DO ON JUST THE ONE LEVER?? RICK DOBROPLAYING@YAHOO.COM
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 17 Aug 2011 11:00 am
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| you need a half-step feel stop on that lever/string. |
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Hal Braun
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Eustis, Florida, USA
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Richard Grasty
From:
DEKALB Illinois, USA
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Posted 17 Aug 2011 11:16 am double stop question
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Im a pretty new player,just took up steel from being a long time dobro player ,so dont really know all the ins and outs..The setup now has on RKL D# to D and the 6 string G# to F#...Hoping I can get away to do both pulls on D# without to much trouble as I know very little about changing the setup.. Which drop is the most useful D# to D or to C#???.Thanks rick
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 17 Aug 2011 12:23 pm
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The D
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Clete Ritta
From:
San Antonio, Texas
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Posted 17 Aug 2011 1:24 pm
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Its probably more common to lower 2 and 9 on the same lever than 2 and 6. Usually 2 is lowered to D with a feel stop, and then 2 and 9 lower from D to C# together.
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Richard Grasty
From:
DEKALB Illinois, USA
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Posted 17 Aug 2011 1:31 pm Knee Levers
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fOR SOME REASON THE 1 AND 9 LOWER TOGETHER ON THE SAME LEVER..GUESS WAS JUST THE PERSON i GOT IT FROM WAY OF PLAYING....THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT.....RICK
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 17 Aug 2011 2:01 pm
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Having the half tone lower to D on string 2 is a must have !
otherwise you're missin' out on just how kool & how much fun E9 is
lowering to C# is not as much a must have but is appreciated nevertheless
(it's the same note as pedal A on string 5)
on the other hand,if you can, you should have string 9 lowering from D to C# on the same lever but not at the same time as the D on string 2
which means that the lever has to be pushed further, after the D on string 2 to go down to C#
in which case, yes ! a half or feel stop on string 2 will get you the C# along w: string 9
modern day psgs have this set up |
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Richard Grasty
From:
DEKALB Illinois, USA
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Posted 17 Aug 2011 2:08 pm Knee Lever And D# Drop
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WANT TO THANK (ALL) FOR THE REPLY AND AM STARTING TO GET A INSIGHT INTO HOW THIS WORK..RICK
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Clete Ritta
From:
San Antonio, Texas
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Posted 19 Aug 2011 12:42 am Re: Knee Levers
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| Richard Grasty wrote: |
| ...1 AND 9 LOWER TOGETHER ON THE SAME LEVER... |
A more common change would be to raise 1 and 7, or to raise 1 and lower 6. Take a look at the copedent section of the forum here for some more ideas.
Clete |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 19 Aug 2011 7:19 am
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If you have the patience and the right string gauges, you can set up the 2nd string drop from D#/D/C# to coincide with the 9th string drop from D to C#.
When you push the knee lever, you can feel when the 9th string change is activated and it will be exactly at the 2nd string D# to D change. |
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Al Udeen
From:
maple grove mn usa
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Posted 24 Aug 2011 10:45 am Never worked for me!
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| I must disagree with half-stops, It's almost impossible to play the 1/2 drop on 1 lever in tune, Hal & Weldon took care of this problem well over 40 yrs ago,although Hal raised his second string instead of lowering it, He and Weldon had 2 seperate levers on this string, allowing them to play that 1/2 change in tune,I've had this setup for over 40yrs also, I also have two levers on my top string 1/2 & whole Raise! If you can play this 1/2 & whole change with 1 lever! Hurrah for you! & disregard the above! au |
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Steven Stewart
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Kentucky, USA
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Posted 12 Oct 2011 6:51 am new slit changer
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| goste levers work and are fully adjustable on newer guitars you don't need 1/2 stop feel or extra levers you get multiparty 1/2 stops by using ped , lever combo .look at the adjustment on the back of the new changer above the Teflons Mickey ex-planes how to tune one this is on you tube. thanks |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 12 Oct 2011 8:57 am
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| slit...goste...multiparty...are a little confusing. i'm curious what you are trying to say. could you explain further? |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 12 Oct 2011 9:48 am
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Sounds like Steven is talking about split tuners. These are not the same as a half stop and I don't believe them to be interchangeable. On the second string (using the split tuner method of combining a pedal and lever), you would have to lower string 2 to C# with one lever and then raise string 2 up a half to get the D. Possible? Yes but I think that would be more difficult to hit quickly than the half stop. Besides, not everyone raises 2 a half step, so they wouldn't be able to do the split tuner method.
I agree that half stops are not very accurate sometimes, but I think most players that have been using them for a while can hit them and make the D note fairly accurate by listening to the sound of the D note. I do this all the time. Heck, we do that all the time with our bar when we place it over a fret. Sometimes we have to move it a sharp or flat.
I think the most accurate way to accomplish the half/whole tone drop on the 2nd string would be to have them on separate levers.
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Dale Hansen
From:
Hendersonville,Tennessee, (USA)
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Posted 12 Oct 2011 10:19 am Re: Double Stop Knee Lever Or Lack Of Question??? (help)
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| Richard Grasty wrote: |
| IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE A SINGLE STOP LEVER TO A DOUBLE STOP LEVER? I HAVE A OLDER DECKLEY AND WANT TO DROP THE SECOND STRING FORM D# TO D BUT ALSO TO C#..IS THERE A WAY TO DO THIS? IM LOOKING FOR INFO ON THIS MATTER(PLEASE).... I KNOW COULD GET EXTRA ROD AND HOOK TO A DIFFERANT LEVER BUT WONDERING IF SOMEWAY TO DO ON JUST THE ONE LEVER?? RICK DOBROPLAYING@YAHOO.COM |
Richard, the most effective way to do what you'd like, is to lower the 9th string a half-tone with the same lever. It makes for a natural, (but not very tunable) half stop at the 'D' on the 2nd string.
If you have a D-10, that's even better. You can make the half stop more positive by dropping the third sting (C) on the C6th neck, on the same lever, down a full whole tone, to Bb, rather than the more common 'B'. Now granted, the Bb isn't very practical, or useful, but you only have to travel to the half-stop point to achieve the 'B', and eliminates the extra travel.
I concocted, and executed the 'C' to 'Bb' trick on my D-10 GFI shortly after I got it and, the half stop is...amazing. The short trip to the 'B' (at the half-stop) on the 6th neck is a very handy bonus, too,...It eliminates the problem of trying to keep the VP stable and consistent,..which can be a problem with a longer pull, on RKR.
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Mickey Adams
From:
Bandera Texas
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Posted 14 Oct 2011 10:12 am
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Lever travels are longest, on the smaller strings...
place the rods for both the 2nd string lower, and the 9th string lower in the same bell crank positions, the farthest from the center of rotation at the shaft...so if the guitar is upside down, the TOP bell crank hole.
Now do the same with the pull rod placement in the changer...top hole.
When you engage the lever, string 2 will begin lowering immediately...string 9 will pull its hex up to the changer and meet resistance as it is activating...this is the "faux stop"...Its not perfect, but with a little experimenting you can get it real close.
My guitars now have 2 others on string 4, and 6...and they're all pretty darn close!!...
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