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Larry Allen
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Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 30 Sep 2011 1:11 pm |
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| Has anyone found an effects unit that can simulate piano sounds on steel.Thanks Larry |
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Al Udeen
From:
maple grove mn usa
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Posted 30 Sep 2011 2:55 pm Piano effect
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Didn't Al Petty create a unit that would simulate a piano along with horns & etc. it was called a Guitorchestra?
He sent me some promo tapes with these sounds several yrs ago! I think the unit was a bit bulky? |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Papa Joe Pollick
From:
Swanton, Ohio
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Posted 30 Sep 2011 5:17 pm
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| Roland GR20 does it all.. |
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 30 Sep 2011 6:00 pm Piano
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| Papa Joe...how do you get around using the 6-string GK3 pickup on a 10string? Larry |
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Brett Robinson
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Nashville, TN
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 1 Oct 2011 1:40 am
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| Papa Joe...how do you get around using the 6-string GK3 pickup on a 10string? Larry |
Some have used 2 pickups staggered to get all 10 (or 12) strings. You could also use 1 and just choose which 6 strings would work best for you. I would use strings 3 - 8.
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 1 Oct 2011 8:38 am
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| whatever slim yamaguchi uses with mark chestnutt is really good. slim is great at adding piano parts to the mix via steel guitar. |
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Papa Joe Pollick
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Swanton, Ohio
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Posted 1 Oct 2011 9:25 am
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Larry,I've not put the GK3 on a steel..But I did check to see if it could be done..The pickup is long enough to cover at least 7 strings on a PSG because of the tighter string spacing..Maybe 8..The problem that you might encounter is location of the pup.It's gotta be close to the bridge to work correctly..
I have my setup on hard tail Strat..Want my steel to sound like a steel only.. |
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 1 Oct 2011 12:35 pm Piano
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| Thanks for the info....the band I'm on now has a girl singer who does a lot of Ella, Whitney, Stresand etc. during the first of the week along with the CW stuff...I've got the organ sounds covered with my Alesis midiverb4, just looking for an acoustic piano patch..Larry |
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Billy Tonnesen
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R.I.P., Buena Park, California
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Posted 1 Oct 2011 12:43 pm
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| Can't remember the year, but Al Petty gave a demonstration of his Synthezizer Steel Guitar at Blackie Taylors Music Store. He had special attachments to his Guirar which could duplicate a lot of differen't instruments and than pull it all together with a complete archestra sound. The only [problem was, all the equipment required to do all of this was estimated to cost at least $20,000. Back at that time that was a small fortune, |
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Papa Joe Pollick
From:
Swanton, Ohio
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Posted 1 Oct 2011 5:04 pm
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| The sound that I like best is the breathy tenor sax..It sounds so real that I tend to kinda over use it..That would be great for your girl singers songs.. |
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Steve Ahola
From:
Concord, California
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Posted 1 Oct 2011 6:36 pm
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The Roland GK3 has 6 individual coils which need to line up with the strings to work properly. With the string-to-string spacing being roughly 4/10" you would have to mount it at an angle (like a strat bridge pickup) for the strings to line up on a typical pedal steel.
They do make audio to MIDI converters which take the signal from a standard 1/4" cable. Here is one that is monophonic (it will output just a single note at a time- no chords- like a saxophone):
http://www.sonuus.com/products_g2m.html
I doubt if the tracking and latency specs would be anything close to a Roland GK3/GR rig but for $100 it might be fun to try if you already have a MIDI synth or sound module.
Steve Ahola
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 2 Oct 2011 1:26 am
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I had one of those Sonuus pieces of crap. What a piece of s#!t. I wouldn't even recommend one of those to someone I didn't like and was trying to steal his gig.
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Christopher Woitach
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 2 Oct 2011 10:13 am
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Reece Anderson had, or has, a 12 string midi pickup he had made for him. As memory serves, the company is out of business, but possibly there's still someone out there making them
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 2 Oct 2011 10:27 am Piano
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| Thanks for the input everyone....there's just me and the bass player in the rhythm section...no computers..I'm hoping to get the piano sounds for chording, not single notes. Larry |
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Scott Appleton
From:
Ashland, Oregon
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Posted 2 Oct 2011 12:46 pm midi pu
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i have used the GK with good results .. also you may find a pickup from one of those Canadian synth units which are now out of biz somewhere .. they can be wound
and assembled per your string spacing. Michell Holman
made custom individual string pickups for bass or any other instrument you may need. I don't know if he still does .. he was the bass player for "It's a Beautiful day" .. good luck .. removed all that stuff from my steel when we hired a Keyboard man .. |
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Steve Ahola
From:
Concord, California
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Posted 2 Oct 2011 6:28 pm
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| I had one of those Sonuus pieces of crap. What a piece of s#!t. I wouldn't even recommend one of those to someone I didn't like and was trying to steal his gig. |
Thanks for the warning! The Roland GK/GR rigs have come down in price a lot, both new and used. (When I considered getting one for regular guitar it always added up to more than $1k for both pieces so I'd pass.  ) I think six strings would be sufficient for the synth stuff, although on a 12 string it would be really cool to have two GK pickups and two GR modules...
Steve
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Bill Rowlett
From:
Russellville, AR, USA
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Posted 3 Oct 2011 9:58 am
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Back when I used to use a Roland synth with my steel, the piano tracking was the worst of all the normal instrument patches. It is hard for the processor to count the frequency cycles and determine the right note to play in the correct time, especially on the low notes. On the other hand, the sax and organ patches were really good. I just aligned the Roland pickup at a slant under the six middle strings with sticky tape.
After I learned to play keyboards better, I just carried a keyboard and left the midi synth at home. The steel was much more expressive on sax patches than a keyboard, and I do miss that. I also used to make organ players sit up and take notice because you can play a really hot organ lead on steel. Because the string dies off, it wasn't very good for those long screaming single notes with the Leslie kicking on and off.
Bill |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 3 Oct 2011 11:10 am
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For those who are interested, here is a link to an old thread about the Sonnus unit as well as some other MIDI related posts.
CLICK HERE
I realize my post above was a little harsh. I just don't think the Sonuus is a good product, and as you will see in the other thread, I gave the unit a good "working over". Many many hours.
I still wish there was a good unit the didn't have a lot of false triggers (good technique is required. No unit will compensate for bad blocking/picking. And, was capable of polyphonic playing. I am assuming the Roland guitar synth is capable of that.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 3 Oct 2011 12:04 pm
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I was a little bored, so I searched YouTube and found some interesting videos on the Sonuus products. Evidently, they have come out with a version 2 that tracks better and has some other features. This one might be worth looking at again.
VERSION 2
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A decent video (version 1 I believe) using a guitar, a theremin and vocals (from Sweetwater, my favorite online music store):
CLICK HERE
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The B2m bass module (actually a funny video):
Leland Sklar with the B2m
I put this one on for it's humor and the fact that Lee Sklar has the coolest beard and hair in the music biz. My favorite bass player for sure (please note. The delay you see between his fingering and the sound is not really a latency issue. The cello patch is one with a slow attack. He could have used some different patches to better show what it can do).
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I2m:
A USB Version
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And, this is not really on topic, but here is a cool guitar shaped MIDI device I thought was pretty cool:
The Kitara
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 55 years and still counting. |
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Bill Rowlett
From:
Russellville, AR, USA
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Posted 3 Oct 2011 1:48 pm
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The Roland units are polyphonic since each string has an individual pickup.
Bill |
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Papa Joe Pollick
From:
Swanton, Ohio
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Posted 3 Oct 2011 2:25 pm
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| The newer Rolands do track much better than the older ones.. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 3 Oct 2011 2:53 pm
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I really would like to see someone with the Roland unit hooked up to their steel. I think that is probably the best option we have for now.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 55 years and still counting. |
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Papa Joe Pollick
From:
Swanton, Ohio
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Posted 3 Oct 2011 7:31 pm
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| I can't do it right now but I'm planning on tearing my Strat down soon and I'll try the Roland pup on an 8 string Stringmaster..I'll post some pics and maybe a sound bite.. |
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