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Topic: JBL D 140 and JBL D 130 |
Bob Bartoli
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Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2011 6:07 pm |
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Chuck Snider R.I.P.
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West Virginia, USA - Morgantown, WV
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Posted 28 Aug 2011 6:20 pm
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Bob, I loaded a D130F 8ohm into my Fender 4x10 Deville, and like the sound. I have also loaded it into my Vibrosonic and it sounds great there. I did try it in my NV400, but I was a bit nervous about blowing it out since the NV400 has a higher wattage rating of around 220. The Deville and Vibrosonic are both below 100, so I feel it is less likely to be pushed too hard in those. Hopefully this is not one of those contraversial "sounds good to my ears" sort of thing to respond to. But, I have liked how that speaker sounded in everything I've tried it in. I hope that helped some.
-Chuck
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Jim Bates
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Alvin, Texas, USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2011 9:10 pm
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I have used both in amps limited to 100w output with no problems. Nice smooth sound when playing small clubs or parties at low volume. I did have the D-140 re-coned to a D-130 because it just did not give me the crisp treble I wanted (it is a bass speaker).
Thanx,
Jim |
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 29 Aug 2011 8:37 am
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The JBL Insturment speakers are well-known for clarity and efficiency, pretty much the standard of excellence for decades now amongst amp builders and players alike.
The D/K/E130 series is designed for full-range use with guitars and other high-frequency instruments.
The D/K/E140 speakers have a heavier cone structure and are intended for full-range use with low-frequency instruments such as bass or organ. The heavier cone reduces the high-frequency response but enables it to handle the lows without cooking or tearing.
The D(F) and K series should work fine in pretty much any of the tube amps, while the E series, although heavier, have a slightly larger voice coil gap which allows them to handle the higher power of modern solid-state amps. All of these JBL instrument speakers have significantly higher sensitivity (acoustic output per watt) than ANY other speakers on the market today, I have E130's installed in two of my 200 watt amps and wouldn't change them out for anything else, ever! |
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James Quackenbush
From:
Pomona, New York, USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2011 4:30 pm
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| I would be EXTREMELY careful running a D-130 speaker unless I was running 2 of them ..... Even then I would be carefull .....I would SURELY not be running a 100 watt RMS tube amp at full volume using one D-130 ..... As others have mentioned , they are very efficient spaakers ....Jim |
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Jerry Meek
From:
Colorado, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2011 6:06 pm D130
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Bob
I have A K130 reconed by Woody Woodell in a small open back cab and an original K140 in a closed back Lab series cab. Both sound great the K140 has a tighter sound so its a matter of taste. |
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Lee Jeffriess
From:
Vallejo California
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Posted 24 Sep 2011 10:56 am
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I agree with James, I wouldn't take a D-130F past 40 watts.
The K is more or less the same as the D-130F and after 50 odd years I don't think its realistic to hit it hard with 100 watts RMS.
If you do and you fry it, Weber has excellent period correct parts.
Don't go with the JBL kit (E-130) its a woofer, more or less a high powered 140.
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James Morehead
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Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 25 Sep 2011 10:00 am
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The 140 has the ribbed cone, for bass responce. I tried them for steel, but they lacked the sweet highs. I switched back to K130's--much better to my ears.
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 25 Sep 2011 1:10 pm
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| Don't go with the JBL kit (E-130) its a woofer, more or less a high powered 140. |
Not so, the E130 kit is virtually identical to the K130, only the magnet structures are different. The E140 is a heavier, ribbed cone, again, identical to the K140. If you have been told otherwise your informant is in error.
The JBL E130 is 9 pounds heavier than the K130 due to the ceramic magnet. The E series has a slighlty wider voice coil gap and can handle whatever any extant combo amp can deliver. I have a pair of E130's in Randal Steel Man 500 amps, they're taking 200+ watts into 4 ohms with the amp wide open all night long and both continue to be rock solid after years of pounding and not one problem. The D- and K- series units could not do that, and the difference in sound is less than what my own hands do from day to day... |
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James Morehead
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Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 25 Sep 2011 1:15 pm
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Dead on, Dave.
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Lee Jeffriess
From:
Vallejo California
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Posted 25 Sep 2011 7:28 pm
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Dave I didnt mean any disrespect to your choice of speakers.
It sounds like you have the right speaker for you.
I have had several JBL's over the years, some non F gap paper to the edge cones, early F gaps D's and K's and a non F gap that got reconed in the early 90's with an E kit.
To my ears the K's sounded the best, the last one I had with the E kit never sounded good.
It was real stiff sounding with a rolled off top.
I really believe if your playing an amp thats in the 20-40 watt range the D's and the K's sound the most musical.
When I put an E with a 25 watt amp I dont think it had enough gas to bring it to life.
As you said there is also the larger gap and I think there is the trade off.
Detail V's Power, but Im digressing my point was if you want that Late 50's / early 60's JBL sound using a lower powered amp.
The weber kit is more like it than the E kit, thats what my ears tell me.
I will say this I have heard an E 130 and a 1501 sound fabulous for upright Bass, very detailed.
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