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Topic: Any good examples of E9 style on C6 neck? |
Fred Glave
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Posted 10 Mar 2011 11:24 am |
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I play a lot of C6 lately and want to set up an S10 C6. I'd rather have 2 ultra light S10s(E9, and C6),than one D10, or U12. I can do a few E9 moves on C6 neck now, but would like to hear what some other players have done.
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Danny Letz
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Old Glory,Texas, USA 79540
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Posted 10 Mar 2011 12:06 pm
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| There are several that do a good job of it. I love to try, but a couple that come to mind are Fred Justice of Arizona and Ron Stafford of Texas. I think Fred has a few pulls on his guitar that help with this. I don't know about Staffords setup. |
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Morton Kellas
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Chazy, NY, USA 1
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Posted 10 Mar 2011 12:51 pm
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| Randy Beavers does an excellent job creating a C6 th sound on the E 9th neck, and I mean "excellent". |
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Bob Hoffnar
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Austin, Tx
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Frank Freniere
From:
The First Coast
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Jay Fagerlie
From:
Lotus, California, USA
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Posted 10 Mar 2011 2:05 pm
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Hey Fred,
Didn't you ask for E9 on a C6 neck?
I think people are turning it around..... |
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Fred Glave
From:
McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 10 Mar 2011 2:41 pm
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Yes, getting E9 licks and sounds on the C6th neck. Thanks guys. Does anyone have any recorded samples? The tabs are good too with songs, thanks Bob. On the C6 neck I have now I can only lower 3rd string, but my new S10 C6 would have much more.
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 10 Mar 2011 2:42 pm
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That's my take as well, Jay, certainly playing C6 licks on an E9 is a lot easier than playing E9 on a C6, due to the entirely different concept behind the two systems.
There simply is no equivalent available on the C6 for most of the "Classic" E9 changes, including the I > IV chordal shift of the A+B pedal, the rocking of the A pedal against the IV tuning, the various moves involving the Eb and F levers and the diatonic scale runs using these combinations.
The E9 tuning, on the other hand, can emulate many of the C6 moves quite handily, although many of the rich chords and deep low tones of the C6 are likewise not available to the "standard" E9 player, not to mention the minor 3rd, which can be simply mashing a pedal on the C6 but requires some mental and physical agility to accomplish on the E9. |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 10 Mar 2011 3:15 pm
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Jerry Byrd, no pedals, 1960. To the best of my knowledge, C6 tuning, sounds like E9.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR_op8Eha4E
Last edited by Barry Blackwood on 10 Mar 2011 3:18 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Dan Galysh
From:
Hendersonville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 10 Mar 2011 5:22 pm
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| Like Rick says, Es to Fs. Raising 5th G to A would give you the whole tone raise like the E9's 5th string raise. I have this change, but don't use it specifically for E9 sounds. |
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Bob Hoffnar
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Austin, Tx
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Posted 10 Mar 2011 6:28 pm
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A bunch of E9 licks are very handy on the C6 strings 2 and 3 using the standard pedals 6 and 7. It will give you the basic E9 type raises to play harmonized scales in 3rds. Same as pedals A and B on strings 5 and 6 on the E9.
I'm pretty sure the basic E9 licks were played by Pete Drake on a C6 in the very early days.
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Fred Glave
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McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 11 Mar 2011 7:44 am
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Thanks for the info guys. Keep it coming if you can. I can play a bit of C6 on the E9 neck now, but since I've been using the C6 neck more often these days, the problem is sort of reversed for me.
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Tony Dingus
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Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 11 Mar 2011 8:41 am
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Paul Franklin's C6 pedabro has 3 pedals for his E9 pulls plus his C6 pedals.I don't know how many pedals he has on that guitar. His A pedal raises his 5th G to A, B pedal raises the E's to F and C pedal raises 5th G to A and 3rg C to D. Dan and Rick have already mention these pulls. Let us know what you end up doing.
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Cass Broadview
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Posted 11 Mar 2011 12:30 pm
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Forum member George Redmon, plays a single neck 12 tuned to what he calls an "Extended C6th" tuning. He gets several E9th type pulls on his whitney. Hard to tell his solo on "Together Again" is actually a variation of C6th pulls, and bar slants. After a gig,he was showing a local steeler how his top strings are so similar to chromatic.
George also says it has alot to do with string gauge. George is predominately a jazz and swing player, but enjoys country steel as well. George was asked one time about the great e9th players and if he enjoyed listening to them. He answered certainly,but if he had a choice, he'd rather hear emmons, wallace, jernigan, chalker, franklin on C6th. I personally refer to C6th, as the "Romantic" tuning. How many ways can you say Night Life?  |
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Bobby Snell
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 11 Mar 2011 7:43 pm
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Here's one way to get moving harmonies with the old school, 1st string G-on-top, pedal-5 raises to G#. That gives a major/minor third interval with the second string E, and walks up the neck a nice harmoniezed scale.
Throw in the 3d string lowered to B for the full chord, major or minor.
Its a I-III chord change, or slide up one fret for the IV.
So there's lots of good melodic motion on those first 4 strings if you think a little more bar movement. |
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Ben Rubright
From:
Punta Gorda, Florida, USA
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 12 Mar 2011 7:59 am
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Thanks, Ben. As I had stated, "to the best of my knowledge."  |
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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 12 Mar 2011 8:58 am
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That version of Look At Us is incredible...beautifully played, and I'd never believe it was C6 if I hadn't seen the video.
If you've got the C to C# raise on the 3rd string, and G to G# lower on string 4, you've got the E9 tuning on C6...
1 - G# (P5) if you've got G on top
2 - E (no pedals) or use the 6th pedal for the E to F change
3 - B (lowered on a lever), or raised to C#...there's the A pedal change
4 - G# (lowered on a pedal/lever), or A without the lever...there's the B pedal change
5 - F# (P5) or let off the pedal...there's the F# to G change
6 - E (no pedals) or use the 6th pedal for the E to Eb change
It's a bit awkward to use, but it's all there.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 12 Mar 2011 11:08 am
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On my early guitars, I used to have a knee lever that raised the A's to Bb (actually still have the 4th string change) and a lever that just raised the 3rd C to D. If you play with pedal 6 down, using these levers give you the same changes as the A and B pedals on E9th and raise the F chord to Bb. You do have to jump from string 4 to string 5 when you let off pedal 6 to get the C chord with no pedals. Of course, this only gives those changes in the upper string grips, not a full set of grips like on E9th.
In the early 80's, my band used to be on a weekly cable TV show in San Jose and we backed up local entertainers as well as performed by ourselves as a band. I used to play a shortened version of "Bud's Bounce" on the C6th using these changes for the intro and ending theme song for the show. You really couldn't tell I wasn't using the E9th neck. It was fun to look at my knees swinging all over the place. Looked like I was having a seizure. 
By the way, I did this just because I could. Later though, I added the 4th string A to B to the lever that raised C to D to give me my 7th pedal on a knee lever so I didn't have to use 2 feet on the C neck. But I do have a lever (LKV) that raises 4 to Bb and 3 to D which can give the effect of hitting your A & B pedals coming off the F chord on pedal 6 (although I use it mostly for other reasons/licks), but you can't get the split pedal changes like on the E9th. Pretty much back to the Bud Issac's "Slowly" days.
Oh, and one very obvious possibility: If you lower the E strings to D like I have seen a few players do, you can get that cliche "country" lick found on E9th by having A & B down and letting off the A pedal.
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Jeremy Threlfall
From:
now in Western Australia
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Posted 16 Mar 2011 4:22 am
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| thats not to mention Sneaky |
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Jody Sanders
From:
Magnolia,Texas, R.I.P.
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Posted 16 Mar 2011 1:07 pm
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| Years ago Buddy Emmons cut a song with Faron Young called"Everytime I'm Kissing You I Think Of You Kissing Him". Buddy used C6 with great E9 sounds. Jody. |
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