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Topic: Sound system genius, social engineer Owsley Stanley dead |
David Mason
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Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 16 Mar 2011 2:29 am |
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Regardless of what happened after Owsley Stanley made millions of hits of LSD and sparked some of the most memorable aspects of the 1960's, his greatest legacy was in live sound reproduction - there's not an electric musician today who isn't touched by it. I believe that there were a few San Franciso-dwelling Forum members who got touched the other way, too? 
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Steve Hitsman
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Waterloo, IL
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Posted 16 Mar 2011 3:10 am
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| Gonna listen to "Anthem of the Sun" today. |
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 16 Mar 2011 10:46 am
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i think his pure LSD was a greater legacy touching more people and more widely affecting the world and the human race. i wasn't really aware of his sound contributions and i was living right there in the middle of it. look at what LSD did to the commercial and graphic arts world. you see the effects every day.
of course i was aware of the grateful dead's use of this huge sound system to enhance clarity and nuance in concert, but wasn't really 'tuned in' to owsley's input. however, i did know of owsley's input pertaining to acid which in turn triggered the dead's desire for the system.
is dis a system?
tune in, turn on, drop out... |
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Ron Whitfield
From:
Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 16 Mar 2011 12:47 pm
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| Good acid, good sound, good times. Thanx, Oz! |
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 16 Mar 2011 12:53 pm
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| There is nothing admirable about this man. He was a 60's drug pusher that preyed on a young impressionable generation. I was there, I lived it, and had friends that died from this man's drug influence. Leary also. He should have left a long time ago, and he will be judged in the next life for what he did to countless young people. |
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Alvin Blaine
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Picture Rocks, Arizona, USA
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Posted 16 Mar 2011 1:43 pm
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| Kevin Hatton wrote: |
| There is nothing admirable about this man. He was a 60's drug pusher that preyed on a young impressionable generation. I was there, I lived it, and had friends that died from this man's drug influence. Leary also. He should have left a long time ago, and he will be judged in the next life for what he did to countless young people. |
Wasn't it legal at the time he was making it and giving it away, to band members and friends, at the concerts?
I know he get arrested in '67 for making it without a licenses, and supposedly quit after that, but it wasn't an illegal drug till '69.
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Charles Davidson
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Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 16 Mar 2011 2:48 pm
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Kevin,I'm with you.That's all I'm saying,Will not get in a debate with any brain dead acid heads  YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 16 Mar 2011 4:14 pm
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| This has nothing to do legalities. It has everything to do with morality and evil. |
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Tom Quinn
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Posted 16 Mar 2011 7:06 pm
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Acid isn't evil. Bad pick blocking is evil...
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Richard Sinkler
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Posted 16 Mar 2011 7:50 pm
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Unless you're bad pick blocking WHILE on acid.
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 16 Mar 2011 8:14 pm
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| Been there, done that. |
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Joachim Kettner
From:
Germany
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Posted 16 Mar 2011 8:20 pm
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| I sometimes blame this stuff for not getting anywhere in my life. Maybe I'm wrong but I better did not touch it. |
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Brint Hannay
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Maryland, USA
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Posted 16 Mar 2011 10:05 pm
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| David Mason wrote: |
| his greatest legacy was in live sound reproduction - there's not an electric musician today who isn't touched by it. |
From the article linked to:
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He created two things that would change the face of music forever...
Second, he arranged for the Grateful Dead to turn a set of speakers around on stage, and thus invented the stage monitor. Prior to this simple innovation, performing bands had no idea about their front-of-house sound. |
And since this simple innovation, 999 times out of 1,000 the band still has no idea of their front-of-house sound, but the onstage sound environment is much louder.   |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 16 Mar 2011 10:23 pm
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| Owsley would go on to develop numerous innovations in live and recorded sound. Interestingly, he never used EQ in a PA system and claimed βthe fewer mics used, the cleaner and more transparent the sound.β Even with the Grateful Dead, a band with up to seven musicians, he only used 12 microphones onstage. |
I know drummers who use 12 microphones. 
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Russ Wever
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Posted 17 Mar 2011 3:31 am
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Second, he arranged for the Grateful Dead to turn a set of
speakers around on stage, and thus invented the stage monitor. |
from THIS story quoting Allan McCune (McCune Sound:
"The first time that a stage monitor was used that we
know of was for Judy Garland. It was late in her career.
My father and grandfather were working on her show at
the San Francisco Civic Auditorium. The rehearsal was
not going well.
My father came up with the idea of pointing a speaker
at her. He jumped in the truck and dashed back to the
office, grabbed a speaker, brought it back, put it on the
corner of the stage, took a feed off the main system,
turned up the amp and, like magic, the artist was happy."
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Joachim Kettner
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Germany
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Posted 17 Mar 2011 6:18 am
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| So what is name of the phenomenom(sp),when you're on a stage without proper monitoring, and the rhythm of the drums seems to come milliseconds later. I wound up being completely lost as a guitar player. |
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Alvin Blaine
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Picture Rocks, Arizona, USA
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Posted 17 Mar 2011 6:20 am
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Second, he arranged for the Grateful Dead to turn a set of
speakers around on stage, and thus invented the stage monitor. |
from THIS story quoting Allan McCune (McCune Sound:
"The first time that a stage monitor was used that we
know of was for Judy Garland. It was late in her career.
My father and grandfather were working on her show at
the San Francisco Civic Auditorium. The rehearsal was
not going well.
My father came up with the idea of pointing a speaker
at her. He jumped in the truck and dashed back to the
office, grabbed a speaker, brought it back, put it on the
corner of the stage, took a feed off the main system,
turned up the amp and, like magic, the artist was happy." |
That was in 1961, when McCune Sound gave Judy Garland a monitor, but the story I've always heard was that Bob Cavin(Chief Engineer at McCune Sound) came up with the idea. Cavin also built the first mixing console with aux sends just for monitors, and he also did work with the Dead and with Bear, so that might be where the mix up in attributing the monitor idea to Bear came from.
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b0b
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chas smith R.I.P.
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Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 17 Mar 2011 11:14 am
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| He was a 60's drug pusher that preyed on a young impressionable generation....and had friends that died from this man's drug influence...and he will be judged in the next life for what he did to countless young people. |
Kevin, I have to disagree with you and I don't want you to think that I'm minimizing the loss of your friends. He made a high quality drug that didn't come with instructions on how to use it. Unlike the STP tab that had strychnine in it, that I took. My friends, who died from drug ods, were using heroin, not acid, and if they had been using lsd, they might still be here today. In fact, it probably saved my life. I was drafted November '68, during the Tet offensive, when they were taking anything that could stop a bullet and I was rejected for mental instability (apparently they didn't think it was a good idea to give me a gun) and then there's that Catch 22. If they think you're crazy, you're probably sane... |
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Bill Kellum
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Water Valley, MS
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Posted 17 Mar 2011 12:17 pm
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| chas smith wrote: |
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| He was a 60's drug pusher that preyed on a young impressionable generation....and had friends that died from this man's drug influence...and he will be judged in the next life for what he did to countless young people. |
Kevin, I have to disagree with you and I don't want you to think that I'm minimizing the loss of your friends. He made a high quality drug that didn't come with instructions on how to use it. Unlike the STP tab that had strychnine in it, that I took. My friends, who died from drug ods, were using heroin, not acid, and if they had been using lsd, they might still be here today. In fact, it probably saved my life. I was drafted November '68, during the Tet offensive, when they were taking anything that could stop a bullet and I was rejected for mental instability (apparently they didn't think it was a good idea to give me a gun) and then there's that Catch 22. If they think you're crazy, you're probably sane... |
i believe gram parsons did the same thing, sort of |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 17 Mar 2011 12:41 pm
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| joachim...that would be 'dopplebanger'. |
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Charles Davidson
From:
Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 17 Mar 2011 3:15 pm
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When I started playing for a living in the mid fifties the only monitors we knew of were big ole lizards,Played for years without them,But got to admit later on got addicted to them.Back to the drugs,It's a sad commentary when ANYONE here would seem to condone it and praise a drug maker.Since the 50's I have lost several friends and great pickers to either drugs or alcohol or both.And you DON'T have to use either to be a honky tonk picker,I have spent over 50 years in clubs and honky tonks.Been a tee-totaler all my life,Never took drugs[been around plenty] nor drank.Seen several die in their 20's and 30's and one of the most talented guys I ever worked with has been in a mental inst.now for years.Don't care how great you are,if you make,sell,and promote this s^^t that ruins so many lives ,you are a sorry SOB   YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 17 Mar 2011 4:40 pm
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Yo Bama. Big lizards, huh. I see you met my 2nd ex wife.
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Charles Davidson
From:
Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 17 Mar 2011 8:28 pm
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Richard,Was she a long-legged redhead with buck teeth from Buena Park  I love redheads AND long legs.She was a double whammy I could'nt resist. She's the one that broke up me and Nadine my little Cajun honey from Houma La. YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.
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