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Topic: Eddie Rivers steel on Willie and Wheel |
Jim Bates
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Alvin, Texas, USA
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Posted 20 Feb 2011 8:22 am |
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I just saw Willie and Wheel (Asleep at the Wheel) on Austin City Limits, and Eddie Rivers was playing some great steel on a 4 neck Fender. He mainly used the middle two necks on all the runs. Does anyone know what those two necks are tuned to?
Thanx,
Jim |
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Mike Harris
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Texas, USA
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Posted 20 Feb 2011 8:59 am
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Jim,
I think the closer neck of the two (which he used mostly) is C6 (ACEGACEG) and the further is E13 (EG#DF#BC#EG#).
I taped the show hoping to get some E13 licks but I don't think that's the one he played much. Maybe someone can correct me on this.
FWIW, Cindy Cashdollar used those two tunings (along with A6) on her T8 during her time with the Wheel and I think that's what she uses on her D8 now. When I've seen her she seems to use the C6 far more than the E13. |
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Clyde Mattocks
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Kinston, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 20 Feb 2011 9:59 am
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I saw it, too. It was one of the best ACL shows in a long time. Just terrific playing by everyone, they just turned them loose! I loved Eddie's dynamics and his chord choices.
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John Rosett
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Missoula, MT
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Posted 20 Feb 2011 10:18 am
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One of the best ACL in years! Everybody played and sang great, but the one who just knocked me over was Ruby Jane and her fantastic fiddle solos!
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Mike Harris
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Texas, USA
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Posted 20 Feb 2011 11:30 am
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There were a lot of fine solos. The trumpet player, in particular, and the clarinetist just knocked me out. Someone made some great personnel choices on this show. Ruby Jane is a hoot, catch her with her band if you can.
This past Sunday and Monday they taped a new show with Willie and orchestra (20 strings plus brass, winds, etc.) on the first half, Willie and combo (piano, bass, harmonica and drum--just a snare drum) on the second half. It was also a great show. Supposedly it's for a DVD. I hope they air it on ACL some time soon. The new ACL soundstage is excellent--the room holds nearly 3,000 people yet everyone in the audience is reasonably close to the stage. If anyone is coming to Austin anytime you might check the tickets on Craig's List to see if there's a worthwhile show being taped while you're here. |
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 20 Feb 2011 1:26 pm
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| They just did a few crackin' shows here in the 50th State with Eddie, first time thru for public viewing. Even with the big man still ailing a bit and sitting thru most of the show, they gave up some tasty C&WSwing, tearing up Hot Rod Lincoln. |
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Lynn Oliver
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Redmond, Washington USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 20 Feb 2011 2:19 pm
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| Mike Harris wrote: |
...I think the closer neck of the two (which he used mostly) is C6 (ACEGACEG) and the further is E13 (EG#DF#BC#EG#).
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I would have guessed A6 instead of C6. I think I read somewhere that he plays a lot on his A6 neck. |
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Billy Tonnesen
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R.I.P., Buena Park, California
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Posted 20 Feb 2011 4:34 pm
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Us old Western Swing Players from the West mostly
used the A6th tuning instead of the C6th. A lot of the old Western Swing playing included playing "Parts" wtih the Lead Guitar Players in the Band. The A6th blended in better with the Lead Electric Guitars and had more "punch" when taking your own "Ride".
I down loaded "Willie And The Wheel" to my "Favorites". Whenever I get feeling a little low I bring it up and it cheers me back up.
Do any of you new players realize the Arrangements are all memorized by the Band ! No charts to tell you what, and when to play. You really have to have a good Ear and Memory to compete in this Venue. |
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Jim Bates
From:
Alvin, Texas, USA
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Posted 21 Feb 2011 9:27 am
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Billy, I totally agree with you. When I was learning to play steel in western Oklahoma in the early fifties, that is how I was taught. When the band leader looked at me I had to play, and if I didn't, I had to find anoter band. Yes, we learned several standard fills where we play parts, and you had to know what notes and harmony to go with them.
Later on I played the 'covers' was always trying to get the exact note as played on the record. This was and still is very boring to me, because it is NOT me playing.
Thanx,
Jim |
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Billy Tonnesen
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R.I.P., Buena Park, California
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Posted 21 Feb 2011 1:45 pm
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Jim:
I would try to play the style of a record, but never learn the Steel parts note for note. Most of the Musicians who played on records never played their parts exactly the same when playing it again.
Years and years ago when Noel Boggs recorded his "Boggs Boogie" with Spade Cooley I tried to play the Steel "Bridge". Finally I went over to Noel's house and asked him to whow me how and what he played. He couldn't remember what he'd played ! It just came to him at the time and in subsequent recordings and T.V. shows he played an entirely differen't "Bridges". |
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Jim Bates
From:
Alvin, Texas, USA
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Posted 21 Feb 2011 8:56 pm
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O.K., all this discussion has got me fired up to dig out my old Fender T-8 with the C6,E13 and A6 on it, get the Willie and the Wheel CD ,and play along.
Thanks for all the comments.
JIm |
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