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Topic: C6th - lowering 9 a whole tone with pedal 8? |
Eric Philippsen
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Central Florida USA
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Posted 8 Jan 2011 4:21 pm |
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In a thread posted a while ago Randy Beavers said that he lowers his 9th string (C6th) a whole tone with pedal 8 instead of the standard half-tone. He said he's had that change for 20-some years. It gives a b9 chord.
So, I said 'why not' and changed my copedant to do the same. But I can't seem to see or hear how that change can be so useful. Since I'm a far cry from Randy's ability and knowledge can anybody give me some examples or progressions that I might use?
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John Swain
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Winchester, Va
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 1:08 pm
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| Eric, if you can combine that change on pedal 8 with KL raising string 8 a half step(A-Bb) you get most of the notes Doug Jernigan has on his 4th pedal...His explanation of one use was a 1625 or 3625 turnaround..ie:in C 7th fret open,6th fret with pedal8 + KL,5th fret open,4th fret with pedal8 + KL....play around it, different string grips etc....Hope this helps..JS |
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David Mason
From:
Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 1:42 pm
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| By "open" you mean with the 4th and 8th string raised to Bb, right? Though the open 6th chords are winners too, the 7ths play well with others. |
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John Swain
From:
Winchester, Va
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 1:57 pm
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| No, I mean open (no pedals!).. on 7th fret Cmaj7 or Em,5th fret Dm....JS |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2011 10:15 pm
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The pedal with the 9th string lowered a full tone and held down gives a lot of tritone substitutions.(Often used as passing chords in Jazz) You can also do a lot of the same things that you'd normally use the standard pedal #5 for. Think the "Hold it" lick...without moving your foot! A cool, jazzy I-IV trick. e.g.:
A7#9= Fret 12, strings 10,7,5,&3
D13= Fret 11, strings 9,7,5, & 3
Try descending chromatically down the neck, while only changing the root with your thumb from string 10 to string 9.
Like John S. said, it's really cool with the A-A#'s pull, and IMHO really really cool if you can also raise the E's to F on the other knee!
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2011 10:24 pm
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BTW I'd like to give credit to our resident harmony guru, i.e. John Steele. He told me about this change in the early days of the Steel Guitar Forum. I use that pedal WAAAAY more now!
Thanks John, and thanks b0b as always for this great resource! |
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