| All pull, Push pull or pull release? |
| Modern all-pull |
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67% |
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| Older all-pull |
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13% |
[ 12 ] |
| Push-pull |
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17% |
[ 15 ] |
| Pull-release |
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2% |
[ 2 ] |
| ***ShoBud Permanent specifically*** |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
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Topic: Changer type on your gigging guitar |
Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 5 Jan 2011 7:51 pm |
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I'm certain that all-pull changers are most common, but how many gig with push-pull or pull-release changers.
If you gig with a pull-release give some specifics to brand and setup. What about folks gigging with a Permanent?
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer 1963 Gibson Falcon |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 6 Jan 2011 5:19 am
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Rick, what's the criteria for "Modern All Pull"? I chose "Older All Pull" as my main gigging guitar (BMI) is over thirty years old but as far as I know the changer is still the same today in those guitars......JH in Va.
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 6 Jan 2011 6:20 am
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Good question! I think you voted right. I'd say the all-pull guitars pre-1980 are "old" and this is an arbitrary date. I guess I'm looking to see the dependability factor in various guitars.
 OH no! 1980 was 30 years ago
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer 1963 Gibson Falcon |
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Dick Sexton
From:
Greenville, Ohio
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Posted 6 Jan 2011 6:24 am Old vs New All Pull Changer?
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| My knowledge is limited and doesn't go back all that far, but I've got a Marlen All Pull S10 and the changer is significantly different in construction then the scissor type now found in most of the newer steels. It is the quickest playing steel I've ever sat behind. Not a bad sound either. I'm surprised we don't hear of more of them still being played out or in use. |
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 6 Jan 2011 9:56 am
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FWIW, no answer listed is appropriate for me. Just lately my push-pull has been getting the nod most often, but I have two all-pull guitars that get their share of the bandstand time. My answer is BOTH -- newer all-pull (Fessy/Show Pro) and push-pull.
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My CD's: 'I've Got Friends in COLD Places' - 'Pedal Steel Guitar'
2021 Rittenberry S/D-12 8x7, 1976 Emmons S/D-12 7x6, 1969 Emmons S/D-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Quilter ToneBlock 202 TT-12 |
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John Groover McDuffie
From:
LA California, USA
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Posted 6 Jan 2011 10:27 am
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| I use my Carter most often, so I voted modern all pull, but I also gig with a MSA and a Sho-Bud, which I would consider older all-pull. Can the poll be configured to allow more than one choice? |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 6 Jan 2011 12:42 pm
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Can I add to the poll options? b0b? Can I?
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer 1963 Gibson Falcon |
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Ryan Barwin
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 6 Jan 2011 1:50 pm
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I gig with a modern all-pull Emmons. I prefer to have a guitar that I can adjust easily during the middle of a gig, if necessary. It wouldn't be that quick and simple to do that with a push-pull or pull-release guitar.
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Tony Glassman
From:
The Great Northwest
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Posted 6 Jan 2011 3:21 pm
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| I gig with a modern all-pull Emmons. I prefer to have a guitar that I can adjust easily during the middle of a gig, if necessary. It wouldn't be that quick and simple to do that with a push-pull or pull-release guitar. |
I actually like a push-pull for that reason. I never change my copedant during gigs, but I've had occasional stage malfunctions occur.
If the p/p changer has been tuned correctly, it usually stays in tune regardless of any pedal or knee-lever problems. Even though the lower collars can be tough to access, I can diagnose & fix any problems by just observing the pull-train w/o having to use a tuner. A set of long- handled ball end T- wrenches, flashlight and a surgical forceps can fix anything on-the-spot.
Changing copedants, is another ball game entirely. That usually is something that I don't often do but when it needs to be done, I do it only at home. It is usually more time-consuming than on an all-pull guitar. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 6 Jan 2011 3:41 pm
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Well,,, my '74 Shobud is my favorite to play, but,,,,
" I prefer to have a guitar that I can adjust easily during the middle of a gig, if necessary. "
I gig with my Kline Uni. Adjustments are never necessary! Solid as a rock. The only time, in 20 years, that I had to "adjust" it was when a string set had a mismarked 4th string. And,,, I kinda get a kick outa guys that have to have a tuner hooked up all night, and clipped onto their guitar's leg. Not needed with a Kline! Best guitar I've ever had. I just like the sound of the Bud a bit better. Flame away. |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 6 Jan 2011 5:35 pm
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Ok, so I'm seeing a pattern...LOL.
Now, in the days gone by did the steel player just tune all night, or play out of tune and adjust with the bar? I mean, a whole heap of GREAT players played mechanically difficult guitars. I'm not sure where that thought is going. Is the intensity the same in master-players,today, and yesterday? Was anything lost by inovating guitars that were virtually hassle-free?
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer 1963 Gibson Falcon |
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Mike Wheeler
From:
Delaware, Ohio, USA
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Posted 6 Jan 2011 8:18 pm
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I picked "older all pull", because my MCI U12, which is my main player, is an older guitar. But I'd put it's changer up against any "modern" all pull changer any day.
The same goes for my Dekley and its "older all pull" changer.
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Richard Sinkler
From:
aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 7 Jan 2011 3:29 am
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I play a Carter, and for the last 11 years, it is my favorite guitar. But, I would love to have an old fingertip "Bud", or an Emmons P/P These are the best guitars ever made in my opinion. Although, tonight I got to play a friend's Mullen (I am - I hate to say - a Mullen virgin) and it was real sweet, even though he plays with his pedals set up wrong (you know, like that Buddy dude  ). What a sweet guitar. Steve French, thanks for letting me play your guitar tonight.
Steve, if you read this, my offer still stands. Give me your Mullen (or is that Mullen's?) for a couple of days (no pun intended - Day setup... Get it?? OK, I'll take my Prozac and go back to my room), and I will set up your guitar to a "Day" setup so it is setup correctly.. Just kidding guys. Don't cut my gonads off.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 7 Jan 2011 1:12 pm
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I'm getting ready to gig with a band doing all sorts of music...almost no country though. Little Wing, I Shot the Sheriff, Riders on the Storm, lots of blues-rock, some originals, some Steve Earl, Grateful Dead, just all sorts of stuff.
I'm playing the old Sho~Bud Crossover that I have. It's setup as a kind-of-universal on the front neck with 5 and 2, the back neck is G6, with a G on the top string. OLD all-pull for me!Probably a '66.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer 1963 Gibson Falcon |
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