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Topic: Herb Steiner for HOF? |
Stephen Gambrell
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 4:37 am |
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Brother Herb,
If you're not there already, how would I nominate you for the HOF? You're a walkin' encyclopedia about steel guitars, had a hand in every kind of music there is, and never been too busy to help a newbie.
And what about dobro players? Josh Graves belongs in every hall of fame there is, and Mike Auldridge is, well, the king. |
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Frank Estes
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 8:46 am
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You mean the guy who wrote this on Sept 14th?
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Please clear something up for me, Paul. Just who, specifically, are you calling an "egomaniac," "stupid," an "idiot," and "disgusting?"
Me? Scotty? Bob Maickel? Chuck Lettes? Al Brisco? We're all on the HOF Board, and we're all here on the Forum. Maybe it's not the HOF Board you're referring to, or maybe you just don't have the stones to call us out by name with your snide ass comments?
Usually, when someone insults me, they have the balls to do it to my face.
Ya know, I've personally just about freakin' had it with some of you "champions" of your heroes when complaints about HOF choices wind up being insults to the intelligence and integrity of the Board members. I'm talking not just about this thread, but many others over the years. Whoever taught you people that insulting others will get them to do your bidding did y'all a grave disservice, IMHO.
I'm not speaking for the other HOF Board members, only myself. Personally, snide remarks about my integrity and intelligence piss me off, and I don't particularly feel like being "Forum brother" friendly with the makers of those statements. I recall one incident awhile back when some guy basically said online that I was being bought off with money because his hero hadn't been inducted yet, then he comes up to me at a steel show all friendly like and wonders why I didn't shake his hand and smile the big smile.
Maybe for you, it's okay. But for me, being insulted publicly and apologized to privately just doesn't get it, y'know what I mean? Mad
Most of the time, I just let this crap roll off my back, but sometimes the blathering of guys who know so little about the process that they embarass themselves without even realizing it gets to me.
Read Tom Bradshaw's explanation of how HOF inductees are chosen http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=188778
Also, you might check out the Forum rules, paragraph one:
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not post any material which is knowingly false, defamatory, libelous, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, racist or illegal.
One more thing, Paul. Your hero, who's a good friend of mine and with whom I had shared several meals and many enjoyable hours this past weekend, spells his name "Bobbe." You should at least get THAT right.
BTW, Zane, I don't include you in my rant above. I think you understand the process.
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Jim Cohen
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Dickie Whitley
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 9:12 am
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| ...considering what was said, Herb was much more forgiving than I. I would also say he was a lot more restrained than I would have been in the same circumstance. But regardless, an apology was made and accepted. This is old news, I think we need to move on, nothing to see here. |
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Roger Rettig
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 9:13 am
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I often enjoy Herb's well-phrased contributions to the Forum, but that one is easily my favourite!
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Mike Neer
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 9:29 am
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Herb definitely belongs in the Steel Guitar Forum Hall of Fame for that post, that's for sure! 
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Frank Estes
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 9:59 am
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| Obviously, I don't agree. Integrity stands on its own whether the criticism is fair or not. A hysterical over-reaction was not called for...While this is still America, we can have opposing opinions and I have mine. |
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Dickie Whitley
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 10:40 am
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Frank, as you stated, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I agree with you. I just wonder what your reaction would have been after being called what Herb felt he was? Everyone reacts differently, and from my point of view, Herb was restrained in what he said to what I would have said. You definitely would have not have liked my reponse in that case.
A lot of us in this world have found that being "diplomatic" gets you nowhere, in fact most people then think you're a pushover and continue their tatics. For the most part, I'm a peaceful individual and not easily provoked, but once I am, there aren't any limitations on my response, and I usually strike very hard the first time to make sure my message gets across.
But I state again in this case, an apology was made and accepted, and that's the end of it. If you want to waste your energy holding a grudge, that's up to you. But I would consider the large majority of those on the forum see this as a closed case as I do.
Wishing you and yours a Safe, Happy, and Prosperous New Year. |
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Bob Vantine
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 10:51 am
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not that my opinion really means anything or matters ..... but I have to agree with Frank on his example .
I too thought the explanations had been weak & response was unnecessary at best , not to mention the lack of response from people involved who could have cleared up any doubts if they had only clarified the process . That would have left no need for flaring tempers &/or hurt feelings .
On the topic of Mr.Steiners addition or not , I leave that to the ones who have already proven their dedication , and knowledge to these causes . I learned my lesson last year with the Bobbe Seymour situation . Altho I will say .... I would hate to see anyone excluded because of their attitude instead of what they had brought to the steel guitar community .
I read the Tom Bradshaw explanation , also others and still fail to see the Barbara Mandrell reasoning , NOT argueing , NOT finding fault..... just NOT understanding with all the other names out there , so nominate away ...... and GOOD LUCK HERB !
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Frank Estes
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 11:00 am
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Keep in mind that Herb was not criticized by name.
It is one of those things where people do not understand the HOF process and criticize it out of ignorance. That is their own fault for not knowing. In reality, the HOF is a nice gesture, but it has no impact on what I think about my steel guitar heros.
Actually, I like Herb and really do not care who gets in the HOF or not. I just did not care for his post. It was not a HOF attitude. The fact that someone serves in a volunteer way does not mean they are not allowed to be criticized.
I did notice that when Herb saw the guy who offended him, he did not have the "stones" he expects everyone else to have in dealing with it one on one. Instead, he walked away without shaking the guy's hand like a pouty girl! 
(Just trying to start the new year off right!) 
Happy New Year to All! |
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Dickie Whitley
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 11:02 am
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| Bob, your opinion matters, and thank you for posting it. I may disagree with you but I still respect your opinion and your right to post it. It's just my opinion that holding grudges and not forgetting and forgiving is a waste of time and energy that could best be used for more productive things. |
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Billy Murdoch
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 11:07 am
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Happy New Year to All.
I think Herb is a first class guy and a top steel player.
Every time I meet Him at Dallas I am assured of interesting conversation and an enjoyable time.
He knows His steel stuff too.
A Gentleman.
Best regards
Billy. |
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Dickie Whitley
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 11:12 am
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Well Frank, I guess I just don't know what a HOF attitude should be, since we are all human and subject to do things we really normally wouldn't do. Also there is a difference of opinion as to what fair criticism is between you and me. I don't consider name calling criticism, it's childish behaviour in my opinion. Criticism in my terminalogy is the use of facts supporting my claim that someone isn't being fairly treated or considered. Name calling is what was used in this case, not criticism based on fact.
As far as Herb's reaction to meeting one of his offenders, would you have been happier if Herb set him on his case? To each his own. |
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Mike Kowalik
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 11:47 am
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Maybe Herb was having a bad day before he read whatever made him respond in such a manner.....happens to all of us.
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John Steele
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 12:02 pm
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The "My Friend For The Hall Of Fame" threads, with their attendant whining, ranting and childish temper-tantrums, are to me perhaps the dumbest and most annoying thing on this forum.
Herb Steiner's response would be considered quite measured compared to what you'd hear from me if I were in his position and had to listen to that.
Especially if it's someone getting their panties in a knot over the omission of someone whose name they can't even spell.
Geez. How ridiculous.
My best wishes to Herb. You're in my HOF.
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Dickie Whitley
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 12:11 pm
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| Since this is all voluntary by the board members, I really wouldn't blame them if they decided to call it quits on the whole thing. I don't think it would be worth my time to put up with all the childish reponses on something I give my time and money to do for free (or even if I was getting paid). I'm willing to believe Scotty saw this as a way to remember those who gave much to this great instrument, but it's sometimes turned into ugly discussions and accusations on why or why not someone was elected. Just take down the present plaques and store them away and be done with it. |
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Stephen Gambrell
From:
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 1:42 pm
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Close this, please. I din't start this thread to give Frank Estes a soapbox. Afteer seeing HIS behavior at Bobbe Seymour's store, ESPECIALLY after Doug Jernigan came in, (to meet me---Bobbe called Doug, and he and his wife came over---another kindness from Bobbe) I no longer existed.
Frank, you would do well to stay away from my posts, and stick to Fox news and your MBA. I'm doing the best I can to behave, but when some self-absorbed
mini-brain hijacks my topic with the FIRST POST??? Frank, are you that desparate to see your name on the web?  |
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Stephen Gambrell
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 4:00 pm
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| Obviously, I don't agree. Integrity stands on its own whether the criticism is fair or not. A hysterical over-reaction was not called for...While this is still America, we can have opposing opinions and I have mine. |
As well as knee-jerk responses?
Speaking of ethics, Frank, you used to post Two D-10 push-pull serial nubers as a signature. You don't do that anymore. Since I know the story as YOU told it, I guess the guy got his missing steel back, and you no longer feel the need to publish that serial nuumber... |
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Frank Estes
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 4:33 pm
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...Afteer seeing HIS behavior at Bobbe Seymour's store, ESPECIALLY after Doug Jernigan came in, (to meet me---Bobbe called Doug, and he and his wife came over---another kindness from Bobbe) I no longer existed.
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Don't remember it happening that way. I certainly would not do it on purpose. I remember doing a trade with you and I remember Mike Bagwell begin with you. I do not remember if that was the same visit or not. If so, I walk in and Jernigan is already playing some steel for Bagwell.
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Speaking of ethics, Frank, you used to post Two D-10 push-pull serial nubers as a signature. You don't do that anymore. Since I know the story as YOU told it, I guess the guy got his missing steel back, and you no longer feel the need to publish that serial nuumber
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I no longer own or play push-pulls. I am now a GFI man. It is amazing what arthritic knees will make you do. I am very happy with the GFI product and service from the company.
I only posted the serial numbers because the 1968 I owned had a really cool serial number of 1234D. I sold it on Ebay after having it rebuilt by the best. I sold the 78 several months ago. Those two guitars were always mine without any question.
Stephan, since I have offended you in several ways, let me sincerely apologize as I would not do it on purpose. Hopefully, you will forgive. In any event, I will honor your request.
Best wishes to all! |
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Mike Perlowin
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 5:20 pm
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IMHO, Herb absolutely deserves to be in the H.O.F. But he is on the steering committee, and is one of the people who decided who is inducted. As such, the only way he can be inducted is if the other members meet in secret behind his back, and elect him without his knowledge.
However much Herb merits the honor, there's a conflict of interest here that is probably insurmountable.
And Frank, the fact that Herb got angry does not in any way negate either his impeccable playing, his encyclopedic knowledge of the history of our instrument and its players, the quality of his instruction materials, or his many other contributions to our community. We all have emotions, we all have our ups and downs, our likes and dislikes, etc.
The world would be a better place if we all made an effort to be more tolerant of each other when they are not at their best. The world IS a better place because Herb is in it.
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Chris Schlotzhauer
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 5:36 pm
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Two things:
1) Herb definitely deserves to be in the HOF
2) I'm going to start reading HOF threads |
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Stephen Gambrell
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 7:13 pm
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...Afteer seeing HIS behavior at Bobbe Seymour's store, ESPECIALLY after Doug Jernigan came in, (to meet me---Bobbe called Doug, and he and his wife came over---another kindness from Bobbe) I no longer existed.
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Don't remember it happening that way. I certainly would not do it on purpose. I remember doing a trade with you and I remember Mike Bagwell begin with you. I do not remember if that was the same visit or not. If so, I walk in and Jernigan is already playing some steel for Bagwell.
That's how it happened. Call me a liar if you wish. Takes NOTHING away from the truth.
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Speaking of ethics, Frank, you used to post Two D-10 push-pull serial nubers as a signature. You don't do that anymore. Since I know the story as YOU told it, I guess the guy got his missing steel back, and you no longer feel the need to publish that serial nuumber
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I no longer own or play push-pulls. I am now a GFI man. It is amazing what arthritic knees will make you do. I am very happy with the GFI product and service from the company.
I only posted the serial numbers because the 1968 I owned had a really cool serial number of 1234D. I sold it on Ebay after having it rebuilt by the best. I sold the 78 several months ago. Those two guitars were always mine without any question.
Another half-truth, at best.
Stephan, since I have offended you in several ways, let me sincerely apologize as I would not do it on purpose. Hopefully, you will forgive. In any event, I will honor your request.
Best wishes to all! |
I LOVE that----I'm gonna deliberately piss you off with a response to your post, then I'm gonna apologize. I like that, but you're a political zero. Only place that junk works. |
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Curt Langston
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 7:13 pm
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| Herb definitely belongs in the Steel Guitar Forum Hall of Fame for that post, that's for sure! |
Well, all I know is that if anyone else has a bloviating rant similar to this one, the post gets locked, or deleted completely.
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Roger Crawford
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 7:28 pm
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| Being on the board doesn't disqualify you from being inducted into the HOF. Jeff Newman was on the board, and as I recall, he turned down being inducted several times, citing others that he felt should go in before him. |
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Stephen Gambrell
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Posted 1 Jan 2011 7:31 pm
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| Herb definitely belongs in the Steel Guitar Forum Hall of Fame for that post, that's for sure! |
Well, all I know is that if anyone else has a bloviating rant similar to this one, the post gets locked, or deleted completely.
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Not true.You aren't reading the Forum. Paul Franklin AND Herby Wallace climbed Bill Ferguson's butt about the sound at St. Louis. Buddy and Paul have gone at it. See, not EVERY thread is about dissing Emmons guitars. You really need to read those
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