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Topic: Setup Change?? |
Eldon Cangas
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Ontario, Canada
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Posted 26 Dec 2010 12:26 pm |
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I'm thinking about adding a high A to my C6 guitar. I would loose the low C since I haven't progressed far enough to see a use for it noe do I like the "low" sound of it, otherwise the copendant would stay the same. Helpful thoughts would be appretiated.
It would look like so...............
A B C D E K
A
G G#
E F
C D B
A B B
G F#
E Eb
C C#
A B
F F# E
Thank You, Eldon |
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Eldon Cangas
From:
Ontario, Canada
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Posted 26 Dec 2010 12:29 pm
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Rats! The formating didn't work,I hope you folks get the idea.
Eldon |
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Richard Sinkler
From:
aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 26 Dec 2010 3:14 pm
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I think this is what you wanted:
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A B C D E K
A
G G#
E F
C D B
A B B
G F#
E D#
C C#
A B
F F# E
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I think once you try to figure out the low 'C' string and it's changes, you will use them more than the high 'A' string. I think you will find that high 'A' to be very whimpy (and possibly irritating) sounding. A lot of us have dropped the high 'G' string and changed to 'D' and the thin sounding (I call whimpy) 'G' was part of the reason.
If you are dead set against the low 'C' and keeping the high 'G', I would entertain the idea of maybe a 'D' note on top of the 'G'.
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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 26 Dec 2010 3:42 pm
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What Richard said.
I think the low C is an important part of the C6 sound...a lot of C6 playing uses those low bass notes. While you can get by without it, you'd be missing out on a lot of cool sounds. You'll find it's a lot more useful than a high A, which would probably have a fairly thin tone anyway.
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2010 7:09 pm
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Richard is right. I tried a high A for awhile on my D12, and even though there were a few things I liked about it, it was just too thin sounding for my taste.
Finding a right gauge was a bit of a problem too.
Since my axe is a D12, I kept experimenting with various strings on string #1 while still keeping the G and the D. I tried an A, an F, and a B (which to me was the coolest of the 3) Now I play it strictly as an 11 string C6 with the D on top. If I ever have to get a D10 again, I've learned how wise it is to keep just the D on top (and lose the G) for many, many reasons. BE, PF et all are right on! |
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Eldon Cangas
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Ontario, Canada
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Posted 27 Dec 2010 12:21 pm
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Thanks for the input folks I appretiate your time. If I'd started pedal about 40 years ago there would have been enough time to try all kinds of things. Reconsidering after what's been said I'm going to stick to my high G and spend time learning what I have. It's a home built steel so the next thing I might consider is adding a couple of knee levers.
Eldon |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 27 Dec 2010 1:15 pm
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Rick, did you ever think of trying a D string between your middle E and C strings? Terry Crisp and some others did that by dropping the low C strings. I've done it on my U-12 by dropping the low B string and putting in a C# in the 9th position. It basically serves the same purpose as the middle F# on an E9 tuning. On your 12 string C6 it'd be easy and add a lot to your tuning plus eliminating some unneccessary bar movement.....JH in Va.
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 27 Dec 2010 2:30 pm
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Hey Jerry....yes I've considered it for years, but if you saw the undercarriage of my D12/11 (w/10+6!!!), you'd understand why I've never done it.  It's an impenetrable mass of rods, bell cranks, and half stops bent every which way to make it all happen. Someday I'm expecting it all to just explode like an old watch.  It really wouldn't be all that easy.
What I did that works great for me, with a few cool surprises, is to put the middle C to D raise on a pedal.
I would like to sit down with a steel with the dedicated D string on C6 sometime, just to see what I'm missing. |
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Jerry Hayes
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Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 8:09 am
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Rick, one way you can experiment with the concept is to just go to your E9 neck and lower the E's with your 9th string tuned or lowered to C# and noodle around with some single string stuff without any pedals and you'll begin to see the benefits of having that D string on the C6th.....JH in Va.
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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 6:33 pm
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I lower my middle E to D on my C6 LKV...you'd lose a lot of strum chords with a middle D string...
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Rich Peterson
From:
Moorhead, MN
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Posted 30 Dec 2010 1:45 am
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Eldon, since you don't care for the low sound of the C, you might want to try b0b's idea of tuning to D6, or even up to E6.
As far as losing strum chords by adding a scale tone in the middle, you certainly can add a knee lever to drop it down to the tonic (root.) Doubling the root of a chord sounds good. |
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