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Topic: question about tuning on lap steel |
Gary Glisson
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munford, tn 38058
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 1:58 pm |
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hi want to tune to c6th tuning
C E G A C E
want hertz on my korg tuner are these notes tuned to? also is there a note on the pedal steel c6th neck that i can tune to to get the notes close on the lap steel?
ethier low or high note and is the c the low note or e the low note?
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Doug Beaumier
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Gary Glisson
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munford, tn 38058
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 4:33 pm c6th
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hi doug thanks for the info on the tuning this is my first lap steel i plan to order your song book friday
thanks gary |
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Peter Lindelauf
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 4:50 pm
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You may want to check out a Peterson StroboFlip tuner, Gary. Sure love mine. It comes with tempered or 'sweetened' tunings (as Doug described above) for C6 and E9. Lots of other stringed instruments, too. As well, you can program your own sweetened tunings. Sure easier for me than trying to flatten or sharpen notes by ear. If the StroboFlip says the tuning is tempered, I just shut up and play.
http://www.petersontuners.com/index.cfm?category=37&sub=64
Here are the cent offsets for two C6 tuning options, if your Korg tuner will allow that...
and here's a link to tempered tunings in the Peterson forum...
http://www.petersontuners.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=777
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Doug Beaumier
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 5:56 pm
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Thanks Gary. Peter, I too have the Stroboflip and I love it.
The charts are upside/down, eh? The thick string is on the top and the thin string on the bottom?
The charts show the same relationships in the temperaments... in the upper chart all of the strings are tuned 09.8 sharp (of the lower chart), similar to the Newman settings for PSG. It works well when playing with a band or with a track. In both cases, flat the 3rds, and flat the 6ths a little more. Sometimes I just use a little Korg chromatic tuner and estimate the flatted amount using the dial of the tuner.
It's important to remember that the temperaments are for the open (or the straight bar) chord. When the bar is placed on a certain fret to play, say, two notes of a chord, those notes may be out of tune with the track because that string has been tuned flat for the open position. It's kind of hard to explain without charts/tab, etc.
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Peter Lindelauf
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 9:19 pm
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Ha. Upside down strings. Wish everyone would show the strings the same way. Sure easier to visualize when it's as if you're looking down at a guitar neck with the low string on the bottom...
That's a good point about the slant positions, Doug. The ramifications of the tempered tuning with straight bar vs slant bar positions hadn't occurred to me. Here's an innocent question from a new player. At the same time, aren't you accounting for that tempered tuning difference by adjusting your slant 'angle' depending where you are on the neck and in the slant position itself so those notes will sound in tune with each other--and in relation to the straight bar position tempering? I know in my own newbie playing that a good slant position seems to be half from looking where you are and half by how it sounds to find that millimeter wide sweet spot for both slant notes.
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Doug Beaumier
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Posted 30 Dec 2010 1:04 am
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Yes, we constantly intonate the slants by ear with the bar. I was referring to moving the bar up through the frets (no slant) to play two string harmonies... and how those two note harmonies will not sound in tune in all positions over a rhythm track. They can't because one or more of the strings has been tuned slightly flat. I shouldn't have used the term "straight bar" before. What I'm saying is... the 3rd and the 6th have been tuned slightly flat, but when the bar is used on the frets, those strings may become the root or the 5th of the chord (over the track), and therefore out of tune with the track because those strings are tuned slightly flat. I think an experienced player learns to compensate for that with the bar.
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