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Topic: Why I don't need a Peterson Tuner :) |
Johan Jansen
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Europe
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Posted 13 Dec 2010 1:11 pm |
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I trust my ears  |
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Dave O'Brien
From:
Florida and New Jersey
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Posted 13 Dec 2010 2:15 pm Tuning
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You must not have to tune up in bar with the jukebox speakers behind the stage! 
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Dave O'Brien
Emmons D-10, CMI D-10, Fender Deluxe Reverb, PV 112, Fender Pro Reverb
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Les Green
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Jefferson City, MO, R.I.P.
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Posted 13 Dec 2010 2:30 pm
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You must not have any hearing loss or tinnitus in both ears.
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73 MSA D10 8&4, 74 MSA S10 3&5, Legrande II 8&9, Fender Squier 6 string, Genesis III, Peavey 1000 |
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Don Sulesky
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Citrus County, FL, Orig. from MA & NH
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Posted 13 Dec 2010 2:43 pm
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Dave
I was thinking the same thing.
I tuned by ear for many years at the house with an E tuning fork but rely on my Stobo-Flip on the bandstand. I wouldn't be without it.
Don |
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Dave O'Brien
From:
Florida and New Jersey
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Posted 13 Dec 2010 3:16 pm Tuning
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Right Don! - The tuning fork and the Boss tone !!!You could override the juke box but got a few dirty looks!
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Dave O'Brien
Emmons D-10, CMI D-10, Fender Deluxe Reverb, PV 112, Fender Pro Reverb
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 13 Dec 2010 3:18 pm
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No comment
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Don't matter who's in Austin (or anywhere else) Ralph Mooney is still the king!!!
Last edited by Jerry Hayes on 13 Dec 2010 3:20 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Charles Davidson
From:
Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 13 Dec 2010 3:19 pm
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Don't need one,have a Boss tu-12. YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.
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Hard headed, opinionated old geezer. BAMA CHARLIE. GOD BLESS AMERICA. ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVIST. SUPPORT LIVE MUSIC ! |
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Paul Sutherland
From:
Placerville, California
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Posted 13 Dec 2010 3:24 pm
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Johan: You may trust your ears, but do you trust the ears of the bass player, the guitar player, etc?
Tuners have vastly improved the intonation of music played at the local level. I'll never forget the first time the whole band tuned up to a Conn Strobo-tuner. It was a hugh improvement!! Even the vocalist were able to sing more in tune because the instruments were all relatively in tune.
Maybe the top pros don't need them, but they sure are convenient (even for top level pros trying to tune in difficult situations), and many of us benefit greatly by their use. |
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 13 Dec 2010 4:08 pm
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Why I don't need a car anymore...
I can just walk to the gigs.
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MSA 12 String E9th/B6th Universal.
Little Walter PF-89.
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Jack Ritter
From:
Enid, Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 13 Dec 2010 4:13 pm
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I have 2 stroboflips--hate to be without one. sure simplifies the tempered tunings and very accurate. Jack
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Zum D10 8x5,rev pre-amp, TC M300, Split 12, n-112, IZZY, Hilton vp, Geo L, BJS Hughey, Live Steel |
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Bill Dobkins
From:
Rolla Missouri, USA
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Posted 13 Dec 2010 7:32 pm
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Whats a tuning fork  
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Custom Rittenberry SD10
Boss Katana 100 Amp
Positive Grid Spark amp
BJS Bars
Z~Legend Pro,Custom Tele
Honor our Vet's.
Now pass the gravy. |
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Dennis Wallis
From:
Arkansas
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Posted 13 Dec 2010 9:04 pm
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Tuning fork is what you eat tuna with . 
I use the stroboflip ALL the time . Wonderful invention . |
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Georg Sørtun
From:
Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 13 Dec 2010 9:52 pm
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| I rely on my ears and an "A" tuning fork, and use earphones for noisy situations. I have a couple of cheap tuners, but can't remember when I last needed one. |
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Cliff Kane
From:
the late great golden state
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Posted 14 Dec 2010 9:31 am
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Tuning fork is what you eat tuna with .
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You can tune a geetar but you can't tune a fish. |
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Richard Tipple
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Dec 2010 9:46 am
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I dont need one either,because,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I have one |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 14 Dec 2010 10:04 am
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I dont need one either,because,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I have one |
Why do you have one if you don't need it? |
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Roger Crawford
From:
Griffin, GA USA
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Posted 14 Dec 2010 10:58 am
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| I have three tuning forks, and they're all slightly off pitch from each other. I wonder which one is correct? |
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Richard Tipple
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Dec 2010 11:15 am
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Didnt say I didnt use one,,,,,,,,,,
If I have one,,why do I need another one |
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Georg Sørtun
From:
Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 14 Dec 2010 11:41 am
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| Roger Crawford wrote: |
| I have three tuning forks, and they're all slightly off pitch from each other. I wonder which one is correct? |
Borrow a frequency counter and measure. Remember to keep the temperature close to 70 degree F during measurement, and throw away any tuning fork that wanders more than 1Hz off pitch when temperature is varied between 60 and 80 F. |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 14 Dec 2010 3:07 pm
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IMHO Only!... Ear tuning is fine if you're only going to play by yourself in your music room or bedroom as you tune all the beats out and I admit it sounds great! But when you get on a bandstand with other instruments it's not so great! Having been primarily a lead guitarist who doubled on steel for many years I've had the pleasure of working with a lot of steel players over the years and since the advent of tuners (Strobe, Korg, etc.) the music is more "in tune" than it ever was. It seems nowadays that the steel players I encounter who aren't quite in pitch are usually the ones who tune by ear! That's a fact!
If you tune a guitar's E and B strings to 440 and then fret the B string on the 2nd fret, the C# note will also be 440. If you've tuned your E (4th) string on your pedal steel to 440 by a fork or some other fixed note and the rest (open and pedals) by ear, when you press your A pedal the C# note will be flat to the guitarist.....
All that said, about 10 years ago I just said "to hell with it all" and started tuning everything that had a "natural" note to 440 and everything that had a flat or sharp to 438. It works for me and I've been happy with it and it's eliminated a lot of headaches. I never play by myself in my music room so if my guitar's not in tune with itself, that's OK, it's in tune on the bandstand.....JH in Va.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Dec 2010 3:33 pm
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| All the band should use the same tuner. When I compared my band's tuners, I was surprised that they were not in tune with each other! Luckily, I only had to tune my Kline once a week, so my tuner was always available to the git and bass player. |
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John Clark
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 14 Dec 2010 5:57 pm
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| JERRY HAYES--I CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION YOU DID ABOUT 10 YRS. AGO, ALSO. HAVE THE LEAD PLAYER PLAY HIS G# ON THE 1ST STRING 4TH FRET AND COMPARE IT TO A SWEETLY TUNED 3RD STRING ON STEEL. I FOUGHT THAT FOR 25 YRS. AND FINALLY STARTED TUNING ALMOST STRAIGHT UP. ESPECIALLY IF THE GUITAR PLAYER PLAYS "COWBOY CHORDS" IN THE FIRST 3 FRETS AND STRUMS LIKE MAD. |
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Johan Jansen
From:
Europe
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Posted 14 Dec 2010 10:21 pm
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Thanks for all the replies!
Why did I wite this?
I own a Korg-tuner myself, 20 years ago the one with the needle, the last 15 years a 19" longscale.
I can tune the steelguitar all by ear, and in the dark on stage I use it as a quick reference if I'm still in tune, or when changing strings, to get it in reach of the right tone.
I have a lot of students, a lot of them with Petersons. Great gadgets! I never have seen a better tuner before, so right on the pitch. So good, you don't need to listen to your own ears anymore. I notice, experience, that a lot of them can't tune the guitar anymore without a tuner. They never had the need to, so why training it?
Don't get depending on a device!
I think playing in tune starts with training your ears. Shure, use some reference-notes, like E or A from the tuningdevice. But then try to tune up yourself.
Ask someone to turn some strings up and down on your guitar, also some turn on the changer end.
Are you still able to redo this in a short time?
Be honest, try it!
As all your sences need training, like taste and feeling, your ears need that to.
I train them whenever I can, so I relie on my ears, all the time.
My 5 cnts. Merry X-mas |
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Bo Legg
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Posted 15 Dec 2010 4:43 pm
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| Owning one of them "Peckerson Tuners" is just another vulgar display of wealth just like your "Pucker Seat" and brandspankingnew 6000 dollar "Black Edmons PSG", hope they raise your taxes. |
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