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Topic: Bud's Bounce + Clinesmith lap steel+ string pulls= Ouch |
Mike Neer
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Posted 18 Oct 2010 8:48 pm |
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I know what you're thinking--I am, too.
Anyway, I was transcribing something else last night and I just got carried away and distracted and wound up fooling with Bud's Bounce. I've always wanted to play it, but could never get it right. I gave it my best shot for now. Maybe I'll get some better takes another day, but this is all I could muster up for now. A lot of string pulling behind the bar! Not a very good solo, either. But I dig the rhythm track--almost like the Buckaroos feel. Only took me about 25 minutes to do. My drum was a small cardboard box and the bottom of my volume pedal played with brushes. I have a feeling I'll regret sharing this one later on....
BTW, I got second degree burns on my bar hand middle and ring finger tips from grabbing my lawn mower's muffler in a moment of idiocy. The string pull runs right through the middle of my blister!
Bud's Bounce
I just love playing these old tunes, man! I never get a chance to and it's not really what I do but it's a blast.
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Les Anderson
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Posted 18 Oct 2010 9:16 pm
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A fantastic job Mike. Your non-pedal version to get that axe sounding like a peddle steel will turn some heads in the pedal steel crowd. I have been told many times by the pedal boys on this forum that a non-pedal will never sound like their pedal steel but hey, you just took them to school.
 
I have spent the past two years practicing doing string pulls behind the bar on my Remington D10 and it really does work. I even use a sewing thimble from time to time, depending on what I am playing. It brightens the tone.
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Mike Neer
From:
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Posted 19 Oct 2010 4:59 am
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Les, I don't think it would ever fool anyone into thinking it was a pedal steel, but at least what I've proven to myself is that I can play it without having to compromise too much of it. I've always wanted to play this tune. I've been working on a lot of cool pieces that would not normally be considered "non-pedal steelable", and it requires a bit of thinking outside the box.
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Bob Hickish
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Port Ludlow, Washington, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Oct 2010 6:21 am
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Mike
Quote " I have a feeling I'll regret sharing this one later on "
No way Mike !! that is over the top for non/pedal - I would say to anyone who would make you regret that needs to post there non/pedal version .
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Aled Rhys Jones
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Berkeley, CA
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Posted 19 Oct 2010 7:49 am
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Nice - I'm stealing some of those licks!
The fingertips of my left hand are twitching in sympathy. |
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Bob Stone
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Gainesville, FL, USA
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Posted 19 Oct 2010 8:46 am
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Great job as usual Mike. Thanks for posting.
Sell that lawnmower! Ouch!
Best,
Bob |
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Lee Gillespie
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Cheyenne, Wy. USA
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Posted 19 Oct 2010 8:53 am Buds Bounce
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| ALRIGHT MIKE..... That was fun to hear as I use to play the tune when I played PSG. Thanks a lot Lee |
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John Groover McDuffie
From:
LA California, USA
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Posted 19 Oct 2010 9:11 am
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| Very nice Mike. What tuning was this played on? |
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 19 Oct 2010 11:38 am
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That's the E9 tuning, old school: E B G# F# D B G# E
The thing that makes it tough is the fact that I'm simulating A and B pedals, so I'm pulling 2 strings--one a whole step and one a 1/2 step. The trick is to not let it affect the rest of the playing in order to keep it smooth. I need to work on that a little, but this was literally my first complete take.
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Les Anderson
From:
The Great White North
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Posted 19 Oct 2010 11:56 am
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Mike, you use much the same tuning I used when I wanted the pedal steel sound (on the D8), however, I had problems holding onto that little BJ round bar when pulling strings on my D8. I usually grabbed my 10 string bar when I want to pull strings.
As a side note, I now use my Remington D10 (long scale) almost exclusively when I want the pedal steel sound. Herb built a classic when he made those D10s |
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Andy Volk
From:
Boston, MA
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Ray Montee
From:
Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 19 Oct 2010 12:56 pm That BIG BIgsby SOUND!
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Hey Mike!
Great job............
That gutsy mid-randge TONE of your g'tar is fabulous.
No mistaking that it is of BIGSBY heritage.
WHAT amp are you using?
Simply great. |
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Doug Beaumier
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Northampton, MA
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Posted 19 Oct 2010 6:04 pm
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| I'm simulating A and B pedals, so I'm pulling 2 strings--one a whole step and one a 1/2 step. |
Yes, I was wondering about that when I heard it! Very difficult to pull off (no pun), but you did a great job, Mike. I was thinking that a forward slant would be easier, but I don't think that would work on your tuning because you'd need the G# and B closer together, with the B on top. Sounds good, Mike.
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 19 Oct 2010 6:11 pm
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Doug, the forward slant is not a problem, but the issue is the fact that what makes the tune so cool and, of course, what makes the pedal steel so desirable in this way is the high E that rings constant while pedals A and B are pressed. If you use forward slants you forfeit the high E, so the only way was to do a double string pull.
Now, if I could only get the one at the end of the phrase where everyone plays the open string chord with pedals....
BTW, I always spell my tunings from the top down.
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Ray Riley
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Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted 19 Oct 2010 6:15 pm Buds Bounce
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| Mike,that was quite impressive. Thanks for sharing. Ray |
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Doug Beaumier
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 19 Oct 2010 6:27 pm
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Edited: I originally had pics of my blisters up here, but I hated looking at them. They're gone now, but here's my Public Service Announcement: Watch where you grab on your lawn mower!
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Ian Miller
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 19 Oct 2010 11:36 pm
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| Love it! Those string-pulls sound brutal even without the visual aid, haha. Loved the solo, too! |
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Don McGregor
From:
Memphis, Tennessee
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Posted 20 Oct 2010 4:37 am
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| Now my fingers hurt. |
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Mitch Druckman
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 20 Oct 2010 10:33 am
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That's a great tune and an inspired performance.
Mike, what is your technique for playing clean string bends? Whenever I try it I end up with a buzzing mess. |
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Mike D
From:
Phx, Az
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Posted 20 Oct 2010 12:16 pm
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| I gotta admit that I would never have though of using a lawn mower muffler for a steel, but it sounds great! |
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Clete Ritta
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San Antonio, Texas
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Posted 20 Oct 2010 10:56 pm
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Awesome job Mike.
I cant even come close to playing that song well with pedals.
Every time I heard a note that wasnt quite pulled to pitch, I felt your pain.
No pain, no gain huh? You'll have a strong callous finger when it heals, and then...
WATCH OUT STRINGS!
Keep em coming!
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Mark Roeder
From:
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA
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Posted 21 Oct 2010 10:28 am
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Sounds great Mike, as usual. I'm thinking your thread on the lighter string gauges has some connection to the "behind the bar" pulls. Keep it up.
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Andy Sandoval
From:
Bakersfield, California, USA
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Posted 21 Oct 2010 12:16 pm
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Sounds great Mike and this tune is certainly proof of the possibilities attainable with a non pedal guitar. I've tried single string pulls but you're double string pulls just boggle my mind.  |
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 22 Oct 2010 9:31 am
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Thanks for listening everyone. Now that my fingers have healed I should revisit that one!
I sucked as a pedal steel player--I'm much better playing pedal steel with a non-pedal. On a gig the other night with Bill Kirchen and Jim Campilongo, several knowledgeable guitarists asked if I was playing pedal steel. That felt good for my ego!
Ray, I didn't use an amp--I recorded everything into my Boss BR-8 (the steel was direct with the built in amp modeling). If you work hard enough with those modelers, you'll figure out how to get a good sound. I believe if I spend enough time and effort on recording, I think I could make a professional quality product on that thing!
Mitch, I know what you mean about buzzing. You have to make sure you're not altering the line of the string, because if you're pushing it down in any way it won't make good contact with the bar, hence the buzzing. An important point is sometimes you have to exert a bit more pressure downward with the bar. I also use my ring finger stretched about as far from the bar as I can get it.
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