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Topic: What years did Joaquin Murphey play with Spade Cooley? |
Steve Ahola
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Billy Tonnesen
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Posted 21 Aug 2010 1:44 pm |
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Look under "Steel Players" Mitch Drumm has posted
a link to the history of Joaquin. It is very detailed and factual with dates of who and when he played for. |
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Mike Neer
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Mitch Drumm
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Posted 21 Aug 2010 5:02 pm
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He first recorded with Spade on December 4, 1944.
As far as I know the last recordings with Spade would have been the "Fidoodlin'" LP, which I think was from 1959.
That's 15 years, but he was with Spade only a portion of that time. Mid 40s, early 50s, late 50s, I'd guess. Maybe no more than 3 or 4 years total--we may never know the exact dates. |
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Jerry Hayes
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Posted 21 Aug 2010 5:31 pm
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When Spade fired Tex Williams and Tex formed the "Western Caravan", Joaquin was in that band along with most of Spade's pickers. That would've been in the late forties or early fifties (I think). I have a Columbia Historic series CD of Tex Williams band with a band picture on the front with Joaquin, Pedro DePaul, Deuce Spriggins and some of the other former Cooley players.....JH in Va.
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Mitch Drumm
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Posted 21 Aug 2010 5:42 pm
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Here is the deal on studio recordings. Live recordings may differ a little.
Cooley recorded for RCA from Jan 1947 to July 1950. Joaquin is on none of it.
Joaquin was with the Plainsmen by 1946.
Noel Boggs was recording with Cooley by June 1946, after Joaquin quit Spade for the first time.
Joaquin recorded with Tex Williams as early as December, 1947.
Joaquin does not seem to be on Tex Williams’ recordings after January, 1949. Freddie Tavares is with Tex by mid-1950.
Joaquin recorded with Spade for Decca in September, 1954 and recorded earlier in the 50s with Smokey Rogers.
He disappears after the September 1954 date until the Fidoodlin' LP of 1959.
He appears on over 300 known recordings all told. I'd guess 30 or 40% are live performances.
He recorded with these artists for sure:
Roy Rogers
Dale Evans
The Sons Of The Pioneers
T.Texas Tyler
Shug Fisher
Andy Parker and The Plainsmen
Ozie Waters
Carolina Cotton
Deuce Spriggens
Red Egner
Ann Jones
Dick James
Dinah Shore
Hank Penny
Idaho Call
Jimmie Widener
Johnny Bond
Hank and Frank
Merle Travis
Spade Cooley
Smokey Rogers
Tex Williams
There are a few more people that I can't be sure about. |
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2010 6:15 pm
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| Mitch Drumm wrote: |
| Freddie Tavares is with Tex by mid-1950. |
Where might we find some examples of Freddie w/Tex? Anything live? |
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Mitch Drumm
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Posted 21 Aug 2010 6:26 pm
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Ron:
Here is a list.
I don't know of anything live offhand. I may have some live Tex/Freddie and not be aware of the steel player.
There is some live Ernie out there with Tex Tyler.
Freddie also recorded with Doris Day, Foy Willing, and Wade Ray.
"Wild Card" is best known as Jimmy Bryant's recording debut--he blows the lid completely off the dump. Freddie is all but inaudible on that track.
9 August 1950 [no. 1875, 19:15-22:45] Capitol Recording Studio, 5515 Melrose Ave., Hollywood, CA – Tex Williams (Jimmy Bryant [gt], Dean Eacker [gt], Smokey Rogers [gt], Fred Tavares [steel], Deuce Spriggens [bass], Muddy Berry [drums], Pedro dePaul [accordion], Ozzie J. Godson [piano] + violin section. Producer: Ken Nelson)
096 6489 WILD CARD F 1166/C2 36184
097 6490 TAMBURITZA BOOGIE F1166
11 October 1950 Capitol Recording Studio, 5515 Melrose Ave., Hollywood, CA – Tex Williams (Jimmy Bryant [gt], Dean Eacker [gt], Smokey Rogers [gt], Fred Tavares [steel], Deuce Spriggens [bass], Muddy Berry [drums], Pedro dePaul [accordion], Ozzie J. Godson [piano] + violin section. Producer: Ken Nelson)
098 6707 THE BIG PRINT GIVETH unissued
099 6708 I WANT GOLD IN MY POCKETS F1286
100 6709 ALIMONY F1286
2 November 1950 Capitol Recording Studio, 5515 Melrose Ave., Hollywood, CA – Tex Williams (Jimmy Bryant [gt], Dean Eacker [gt], Smokey Rogers [gt], Fred Tavares [steel], Deuce Spriggens [bass], Muddy Berry [drums], Pedro dePaul [accordion], Ozzie J. Godson [piano] + violin section. Producer: Ken Nelson)
101 6805 DON’T MAKE LOVE TO MARY F1345
102 6806 I LOST MY GAL FROM MEMPHIS F1475/C2 36184
103 6807 CHEATERS NEVER PROSPER F1345
8 January 1951 Capitol Recording Studio, 5515 Melrose Ave., Hollywood, CA – Tex Williams (Jimmy Bryant [gt], Dean Eacker [gt], Smokey Rogers [gt], Fred Tavares [steel], Deuce Spriggens [bass], Muddy Berry [drums], Pedro dePaul [accordion], Ozzie J. Godson [piano] + violin section. Producer: Ken Nelson)
104 6981 TULSA TROT F1398
105 6982 SHE DIDN’T EVEN KISS ME GOODBYE F1398
106 6983 UNFAITHFULLY YOURS unissued
26 April 1951 Capitol Recording Studio, 5515 Melrose Ave., Hollywood, CA – Tex Williams (Jimmy Bryant [gt], Dean Eacker [gt], Smokey Rogers [gt], Fred Tavares [steel], Deuce Spriggens [bass], Muddy Berry [drums], Pedro dePaul [accordion], Ozzie J. Godson [piano] + violin section. Producer: Ken Nelson)
109 7455 GOODNIGHT CINCINNATI F1540
110 7456 SUGAR COATED LOVE F1540
111 7457 BROTHER, DROP DEAD! C2 36184
7 June 1951 Capitol Recording Studio, 5515 Melrose Ave., Hollywood, CA – Tex Williams (Jimmy Bryant [gt], Dean Eacker [gt], Smokey Rogers [gt], Fred Tavares [steel], Deuce Spriggens [bass], Muddy Berry [drums], Pedro dePaul [accordion], Ozzie J. Godson [piano] + violin section. Producer: Ken Nelson)
112 7613 LOVE AND DEVOTION F1700
113 7614 BLACK STRAP MOLASSES F1700
114 7629 PUT THIS IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT unissued
115 7630 BETWEEN YOU AND THE BIRDS AND THE BEES AND CUPID unissued
30 August 1951 Capitol Recording Studio, 5515 Melrose Ave., Hollywood, CA – Tex Williams (Jimmy Bryant [gt], Dean Eacker [gt], Smokey Rogers [gt], Fred Tavares [steel], Deuce Spriggens [bass], Muddy Berry [drums], Pedro dePaul [accordion], Ozzie J. Godson [piano] + violin section. Producer: Ken Nelson)
116 7969 I WANT TO BE NEAR YOU F1799
117 7970 THE COCKER SPANIEL POLKA F1799
118 7971 LEFT HANDED BOOGIE unissued
119 7972 YOU LAUGHED, YOU LIED, YOU LEFT ME unissued
Above is the final Capitol session.
Last edited by Mitch Drumm on 21 Aug 2010 6:32 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Ron Whitfield
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Posted 21 Aug 2010 6:30 pm
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Thank you for more wealth of info!
Per Wild Card, I don't remember even hearing any steel on that... I'll check that out again. Jimmy's first, eh? |
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Steve Ahola
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Concord, California
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Posted 22 Aug 2010 3:37 am
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| Ron Whitfield wrote: |
Thank you for more wealth of info!
Per Wild Card, I don't remember even hearing any steel on that... I'll check that out again. Jimmy's first, eh? |
The steel comes in around 1:20. This is on the 4CD Bear Family collection, which along with Jimmy's Frettin' Fingers will give you most of the recordings under his name.
Thanks for all of the information! I went ahead and ordered Spadella and Tex Williams "On the Air (1947-1949)" from Amazon.
Steve
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Mark Lavelle
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San Mateo, CA
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Brad Bechtel
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San Francisco, CA
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Posted 22 Aug 2010 9:41 am
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I just edited the topic line. Thanks for sharing that very interesting article!
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2010 3:04 pm
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| Steve Ahola wrote: |
| The steel comes in around 1:20. This is on the 4CD Bear Family collection, which along with Jimmy's Frettin' Fingers will give you most of the recordings under his name. |
I have both of those and probably love best the 60s noir-ish cut Long Walk Home, which significantly differs from his standard/famous style and should have been a smash hit. Wish he'd done more like that. |
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Steve Ahola
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Concord, California
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Posted 3 Sep 2010 1:08 pm
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I got the Spadella and Tex Williams CDs and am totally blown away by the live Tex Williams recordings. I don't think that anybody played jazz on the steel guitar like Joaquin! His timing, his expressiveness, his chops... a lot of it sounds like the best jazz clarinet player you have ever heard.
The article posted here said that one of his 8 string tunings was like C6 with the G on top, but with the lower C raised to C# and the bottom string tuned to a high B (between the 3rd and 4th string- right?)
He had been using a C#m tuning on his 6 string earlier- what are the notes and gauges for that?
Thanks
Steve
EDIT You can hear Joaquin using that high B string to play the clarinet-like trills (i.e. C-B-A)
On the Spadella CD, he plays on the recordings from January 1946 but has been replaced by Noel Boggs in the recordings in May 1946 and later.
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