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Topic: Fender PS112- One of a kind prototype S12 (ala PS210) !!!! |
Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 16 Jul 2010 7:43 am |
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Through my day job at a vintage guitar store in San Diego, I've found myself in the unusual position of making this one-of-a-kind vintage creation of Gene Fields during his tenure at Fender available to the right buyer! I guess I'll let the pictures do the talking. Still trying to figure out exactly what it's worth. (yes, I know the pedals aren't on the right side  ) Cool Huh?!?!
More soon.
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Ben Jones
From:
Seattle, Washington, USA
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Posted 16 Jul 2010 7:48 am
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| COOL! pedal rack is on wrong side of guitar i think |
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Stu Schulman
From:
Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 16 Jul 2010 8:30 am
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Hey Rick,Didn't Blackie have something like that in his shop in Garbage Grove years ago?Maybe it was a double neck...That's pretty cool looking. 
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 16 Jul 2010 8:41 am
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Hey Stu...
I don't doubt it, Blackie and Gene Fields have probably been buddies for a long time. I'm pretty sure though that out of 16 or 17 of these made in the world, that this is the only S12.
Here's a cool webpage with vids about the instrument's technology that our forum friend Basil Henriques put up a while back.
http://www.pedalsteel.co.uk/Vintage-Fender-PS210 |
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Rick Collins
From:
Claremont , CA USA
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Posted 16 Jul 2010 8:54 am
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Well, it's ugly.
How about it's sound? |
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Joshua Grange
From:
Los Angeles, California
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Posted 16 Jul 2010 10:39 am
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| Thats funny, the guitar just told me it thinks you're ugly! |
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Scott Appleton
From:
Ashland, Oregon
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Posted 16 Jul 2010 10:41 am 12
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| I will be watching this one with great interest. Would you consider offers at this time? |
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J D Sauser
From:
Wellington, Florida
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Posted 16 Jul 2010 2:17 pm
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Next time, please have the pedal rack mounted onto the FRONT legs! 
Yes, that guitar has it's changer on the left (where all should have it!).
It's the first time I ever got to know that any 1-12's where made. That one also seems to have knee levers.
I would definitely want to play it.
... J-D. |
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David Langdon
From:
West Bridgford, Nottingham Notts, United Kingdom
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Posted 16 Jul 2010 3:13 pm
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I didn't think one of these would ever turn up. A truely innovative design for the day. Here in the UK Basil Henriques has a 210.
The only limitation of these steels is the 9 actuater bars, which mean you can only have a 5+4 set up or more pedals but less knees. I notice it has the extra pedal hook up points.
I have no idea what it's worth, but probably too much for my pocket.
According to Basil, you can set up splits on them as well.
Lovely, I'd hang on to it and do some good recordings for prosperity. |
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Duncan Hodge
From:
DeLand, FL USA
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Posted 16 Jul 2010 3:44 pm
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Why is it ugly??? It looks kinda pretty to me.
Duncan
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Howard Hughes
From:
Roanoke/South Norfolk, Virginia - Now Living In Junction City, Kansas USA
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Posted 16 Jul 2010 4:12 pm
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John McClung
From:
Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 16 Jul 2010 8:11 pm
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Way cool! Blackie did have a Fender like this, I seem to recall he was involved in the design of it, too.
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Tom Keller
From:
Greeneville, TN, USA
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Posted 16 Jul 2010 8:21 pm
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| Great looking guitar. Wish I could buy it. |
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Jeremy Threlfall
From:
now in Western Australia
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Posted 16 Jul 2010 10:05 pm
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| wish I could afford it ... |
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Ben Elder
From:
La Crescenta, California, USA
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Posted 16 Jul 2010 10:23 pm
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Joerg Schubert
From:
Hagen, Germany
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Posted 17 Jul 2010 12:23 am
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Where is Basil? 
Basil, would you please comment on this one?
Those guitars are ultrarare, Basil owns a D10 of that kind and knows all the details and history.
Does this constructional shortcoming on the pedal rack have any impact on the price? It will take enormous time and efford to repair this What about a 50% discount if I take the risk and buy the guitar 
Joerg |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 17 Jul 2010 7:11 am
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I got to play a PS210 in Nashville at a NAMM (I don't think it was called that in 1972) show at the old Munincipal Auditorium.
The one I played had the optional seat attached to the guitar. As I previously had a Fender 2000, it felt good to me and sounded about like the 2000. |
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Alan Brookes
From:
Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 17 Jul 2010 8:17 am
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...only amateurish in that if Basil were making a professional video he would have used a tripod and a second cameraman. The videos are excellent and give a great insight into the workings of what is a very unique design with many advanced features. It's a shame that the design was not prolificated over the years.  |
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J D Sauser
From:
Wellington, Florida
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Posted 17 Jul 2010 9:38 am
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Basil may correct me here, but am I right when I theorize the following?:
- The Fender/Fields PS210 (and as we now got to discover PS112) changer is based on the principles of Gibson's (John Moore's) first changer on their ElectraHarp, "invention" which was later successfully challenged by the Harlin Bros. (MultiChord)... just that on these Fenders, it has been placed vertically to accommodate horizontal undercarriage pulls whereas the Gibson and Harlin changers where installed horizontally (flat on top of the cabinet, as the pedals would pull directly (vertically) on them.
- The changer, can theoretically accommodate ANY number of raises and lowers / one can raise and lower any string with EVERY pedal and lever.
- However, these pulls can NOT be "timed"... in other words, multiple pulls on a pedal (or lever) may likely result in a "staggered" feel (the pull ratio can NOT be balanced in between multiple pulls).
- Neither can the changer easily (without being creative) accommodate various DIFFERENT PITCH pulls on the SAME string. Example on the E9th tuning: an E-to-F half note knee lever raise AND the E-to-F# full raise of a "C"-pedal; The stop has to be set for the greater pull ("C"-pedal, in this example). How do you tune the lesser raise or lower?
Rite?... J-D. |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 17 Jul 2010 1:08 pm
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Thanks for putting the questions JD..
| J D Sauser wrote: |
- However, these pulls can NOT be "timed"... in other words, multiple pulls on a pedal (or lever) may likely result in a "staggered" feel (the pull ratio can NOT be balanced in between multiple pulls). |
Not correct the pulls can be timed if they are of equal distance, i.e. three strings being pulled a half step each.. what can't be timed is a half step raise on one string and a full step raise on another. The full step raise will commence first.
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- Neither can the changer easily (without being creative) accommodate various DIFFERENT PITCH pulls on the SAME string. Example on the E9th tuning: an E-to-F half note knee lever raise AND the E-to-F# full raise of a "C"-pedal; The stop has to be set for the greater pull ("C"-pedal, in this example). How do you tune the lesser raise or lower?
Rite?... J-D. |
No not exactly correct, each string can be altered as many times as there are crossbars, 9 in this case.
within the working range of the string and up to 9 different pitches on each and every string.
So as a for instance the forth string (E presuming E9th tuning) can be raised to F with a Knee lever, F# with a pedal G with another lever or pedal, and also lowered to D# D, C#, C via levers or pedals in combination.
The FIRST two minutes of THIS video explains it all..
Splits DON'T need compensation, the inherent changer design is such that a semitone lower applied to a semitone raise results in no pitch change.
It's a Knife Edge changer not an Axle based one. |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 17 Jul 2010 1:34 pm
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I've noticed that on the 12 string guitar we're discussing, the string binding posts on some of the tuning "sleds" are broken. Numbers 1,2,3 and 12. The others are also showing some signs of slight distress. This is due to the strings being INCORRECTLY installed at some point in time and the manual NOT being consulted or adhered to..
The only way 'round this is to have new parts made, as the components are definitely not available.
I've had two sets made up in stainless by CNC. (NOT INEXPENSIVE)
The pickup has 14 polepieces which IS correct. See my video for the explanation as to why the extra two..
Is the guitar missing the pedal rods and the case ?
The black hinged lid is missing a magnet, which really should be mounted on the top changer bar, as in my video.
Rick, what's the string spacing at the nut AND the bridge please.. ? The TOTAL distance across would be of more interest to me than the individual spacing.
My Guess is 3 3/4" at both ends.. |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 17 Jul 2010 2:15 pm
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These are excellent. |
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Paul Redmond
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 17 Jul 2010 7:49 pm
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Gene Fields told me once that the main reason those two little ears break off the string tuning "sliders" is that people used to wrap the smaller strings around these ears much like a cowboy in an old western movie would wrap his horse's reins around a hitching post. Those ears are merely guides for the strings and were never intended to stand up to the full tension of a string at full pitch. The other reason Gene cited was electrolysis caused by the reaction of the zinc in the Zamac sliders and the nickel in the strings. Yes, replacements must be custom-made. You can install the strings OK even if the ears are missing, but for restoration purists, they should be there.
I have discovered that if you really carefully study the design of the PS210 (and now a PS112), there really isn't any limit on how they can be set up save for their overall length which limits you on pedals as it would with any guitar.
IMO a left-mounted knife-edge changer is just about as good as it gets!!!
PRR |
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Tommy White
From:
Nashville
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Posted 17 Jul 2010 8:45 pm
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In or around 1971, my dad and I were in a friends music store in Louisville, Kentucky browsing. The owner of the store showed us a brochure of the new Fender PS210.We were impressed. We continued playing Emmons, Sho-Bud and MSA guitars for the next several years, as we had no way of obtaining any further info on the Fender, although we often discussed how striking and unique the Fender PS210 was(keyless!) for the the times and a step forward for the Fender company.
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