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Topic: Help! Recording mp3 to a DVD |
Greg Wisecup
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Troy, Ohio
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Posted 16 May 2010 5:29 am |
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I saw someone on the forum with a tip that it makes more sense to record music to a dvd because it has more room on it. Great.
I have an mp3 that I'm trying to use Nero to record it to a DVD-R With no success. When I burn it it will only play on the computer. Wassamater wit me?
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Bryan Daste
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 16 May 2010 11:26 am
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| I believe that DVDs will only function as either video DVDs (like movies) or DVD-ROMs (data storage that works on a computer only). Some DVD players will play MP3s burned to a CD-ROM, but I'm not sure about MP3s burned to a DVD-ROM. |
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Jack Stoner
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Posted 16 May 2010 12:51 pm
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You can make "audio" DVD's but they will only play on PC's and some DVD players - nothing else.
You need to convert the MP3's to WAV files before burning to make a "regular" Audio disc - either CD or DVD. |
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Greg Wisecup
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Troy, Ohio
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Posted 17 May 2010 10:10 am
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Thanks Bryan. I went and bought cd blanks.
Jack, so I need to take the wave files that I converted to mp3 and convert them back to wav?
I can't burn mp3 files to a cd?
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Jim Cooley
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The 'Ville, Texas, USA
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Posted 17 May 2010 10:40 am
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You should have no problem burning mp3s to a CD with Nero. If you use CDRW (RW=re-writable)discs you can erase and re-record tracks, like on tape. If you use windows, and depending on which version of Nero you have, it might even be easier to use Windows Media Player.
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Greg Wisecup
From:
Troy, Ohio
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Posted 17 May 2010 10:43 am
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Thanks fellers! Much appreciated.
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Tony Prior
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Charlotte NC
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Posted 17 May 2010 10:46 am
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A few ways to skin the cat.
Once the wave files are converted to MP3's, to make an MP3 disk, copy the MP3 files over to the blank CD as a data file disk. ( copy data files) Mp3's are Mp3's...They will play in all CD players that also play MP3's, folders will show up if you use them or just the MP3's with titles will show up, if they have titles.
If you want to make an Audio CD from the MP3's then you have to use the "create audio CD " feature on your burn program.
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Greg Wisecup
From:
Troy, Ohio
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Posted 17 May 2010 10:54 am
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Thanks Jim. Wma does look easier for a quick burn. I'll try it both ways tonight.
Tony says:
"If you want to make an Audio CD from the MP3's then you have to use the "create audio CD " feature on your burn program."
Will this option also play this new mp3 burn in anything that will play cd's?
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Jim Cooley
From:
The 'Ville, Texas, USA
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Posted 17 May 2010 1:37 pm
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That might be the case. WMA is just a different format. You should be able to get more songs in WMA than MP3 format. Some devices will play and record both. However, there are players that will play mp3 but not WMA. I ran into that about a year and a half ago, when I took my uncle some really good steel CDs. I recorded them in WMA by mistake. His player, a Bose Acoustic Wave, would not accept that format.
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Hey, mister, how do you pedal that thing anyway?
"The worst an honest man can do is make an honest mistake" - Augustus McCrae
"From the sweet grass to the packing house, birth 'til death, we travel between the eternities" - Prentiss Ritter
Too many steels, amps & other stuff, and an open mind. I have tube amp bias. |
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Mitch Drumm
From:
Frostbite Falls, hard by Veronica Lake
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Posted 18 May 2010 9:32 am
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| Greg Wisecup wrote: |
Tony says:
"If you want to make an Audio CD from the MP3's then you have to use the "create audio CD " feature on your burn program."
Will this option also play this new mp3 burn in anything that will play cd's? |
Greg:
I seriously doubt it.
If you want to guarantee that certain songs burned to a CD will play on any player, I don't think mp3s is the proper choice.
As far as I know, WAV files will always work.
As of a few years ago, most car CD players would not play mp3 files burned to a CD.
My home CD player won't play mp3s on a CD.
That may have changed, but I don't know what percentage of players will still NOT play mp3s. For all I know, most still won't.
Additionally, you may have navigation problems with mp3 burns. With an ordinary retail CD or a home burned CD of WAV files, you can jump around between tracks. I don't know if you can necessarily do that with an mp3 burn. You may be limited to playing only in a particular order, with no control.
If I read Tony's post correctly, if you have a bunch of mp3s and a player that is KNOWN to play mp3s, the proper way method with mp3s is to simply handle them as if they were pictures or Word documents (data files), rather than burning as an audio CD. That may be true-----but I wonder what navigation limitations that might cause?
Tony, can you comment on that?? Can you still jump from track 1 to track 10 or are you limited in any way?
You will get better fidelity if you can avoid converting from mp3 back to WAV files. The WAV file in that case would have no better fidelity than the mp3. Better to use the WAV files you had before converted to mp3 if possible. |
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Greg Wisecup
From:
Troy, Ohio
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Posted 18 May 2010 9:44 am
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OK fellers, gather 'round.
Last night I burned an mp3 from my hard drive using Nero. I burned 1 as a data file as per Tony. It would not play in 2 different sources. I burned another as an audio cd and it works just fine.
When burning as a data file then maybe it should be in wav. form? I just want to know which format to start with, wav or mp3/burn to data or audio that will produce a cd that will play in most if not all cd players. Thanks to all of youse guys. Your narrowing down what should be a really easy thing to do.
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RV-3/ Zoom MS-50G
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Mitch Drumm
From:
Frostbite Falls, hard by Veronica Lake
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Posted 18 May 2010 9:56 am
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| Greg Wisecup wrote: |
OK fellers, gather 'round.
Last night I burned an mp3 from my hard drive using Nero. I burned 1 as a data file as per Tony. It would not play in 2 different sources. I burned another as an audio cd and it works just fine.
When burning as a data file then maybe it should be in wav. form? I just want to know which format to start with, wav or mp3/burn to data or audio that will produce a cd that will play in most if not all cd players. Thanks to all of youse guys. Your narrowing down what should be a really easy thing to do. |
Greg:
See my post above yours.
I am not surprised that mp3s burned as a data CD will not play in some players.
As far as I know, burning mp3s as an audio CD will not play in all players either. Such a CD might play in more or fewer players than an otherwise identical "data CD".
The best way to maximize compatibility across all CD players is to avoid mp3s and use another format such as WAV.
I doubt if WAV files burned as a data CD will get you anywhere, but I could be wrong.
If the player is KNOWN to play mp3s, the choice of audio CD versus data CD may still matter. I am not sure.
This is what I would like to see comments on--from Tony, Jack, or whoever has the facts. |
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Greg Wisecup
From:
Troy, Ohio
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Posted 18 May 2010 10:12 am
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I'm thinking ........mp3 for digital/email apps. and wav for physical players?
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 18 May 2010 11:14 am
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As I read the entire thread a couple of things come to mind. First, if you have a wav file and want regular audio CD's (or DVD's to only play on the PC or certain DVD players) then you do not want to convert them to MP3 and then convert them back again. MP3 is a compressed file and as such an MP3 is "something less than full fidelity" (how much depends on bit rate). If you convert to MP3 you lose whatever fidelity and when you convert back to wav (or when the CD burning program converts it back in certain cases) you do not regain the original fidelity - the fidelity is only as good as the MP3.
As noted there are two types of music CD's - (1) the "standard audio" CD (from wav's) that will play on any audio CD player and (2) and MP3 CD that will ONLY play on the PC and on audio CD players that have MP3 capability (same way with a wma formatted audio file).
Finally when making standard audio CD's you need to keep the CD burning speed to 16X or less (I use 8X as my audio CD burning speed standard) so it will play in any audio CD player. Most new ones will play CD's burned at higher speeds but many older audio CD players will not and with those the CD's will skip, not play at all, etc. |
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Mitch Drumm
From:
Frostbite Falls, hard by Veronica Lake
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Posted 18 May 2010 3:00 pm
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Greg:
I think that is about right, but your average so called "mp3 player" will play mp3s and that is certainly a "physical player". So maybe think of it as "WAV for burning to disc" and "mp3 for playback from hard drive or portable player". If you have plenty of hard drive space, you can of course keep WAV files on your HD, and convert certain files to mp3 if you want to put them on a portable.
I don't own one, but there may be brand distinctions--like an Apple IPOD may not play the same file formats as one of its competitors. I don't think there is cross-brand compatibility yet?
If you are going to burn it to a disc, use WAV unless you know for a FACT that your player will work with mp3s. |
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Mitch Drumm
From:
Frostbite Falls, hard by Veronica Lake
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Posted 18 May 2010 3:12 pm
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| Jack Stoner wrote: |
As noted there are two types of music CD's - (1) the "standard audio" CD (from wav's) that will play on any audio CD player and (2) and MP3 CD that will ONLY play on the PC and on audio CD players that have MP3 capability (same way with a wma formatted audio file). |
Jack:
What is your guess as to the percentage of current model year car radio/CD units that will in fact play mp3s???
I haven't checked the stores lately, so for all I know CD capability in a car is old fashioned and rare? Maybe your average yokel plays mp3s in the car through a plug in from a portable mp3 player?
What do you know about the navigation limitations in such an mp3 CD disc playback setup, both on car players and at home?? I'm not referring to IPODs
I had a Best Buy goon tell me 4 or 5 years ago that mp3 burns are not easily navigated in a player--you can't jump around, skip tracks with a button push, no shuffle play, etc. You just have to play in alpha order as the songs happen to line up on the CD.
I assume he was talking about an mp3 data disc?
If you burn mp3 files to disc as an "Audio disc" as opposed to a data disc, aren't you locking yourself into 80 minutes of running time as opposed to 700 megs of capacity (250 or so mp3 files)??
If so, I don't see a point to burning an mp3 disc as anything other than a data disc in order to get the added capacity. But then the questions are compatibility with all players AND navigation issues.
Any comments? |
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Chip Fossa
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Monson, MA, USA (deceased)
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Posted 18 May 2010 6:29 pm
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Me and Mitch have been conversing on this subject.
Mitch turned me away from my previous burning software and unto ImgBurn. I was previously using Nero.
OK - here's some of what I do, and the results.
I download a lot of music [only] from YouTube.
I use TotalRecorder, which has options for recording, and my default option is MP3.
So all songs I download are MP3.
With ImgBurn, I simply put the songs in. Burn them. I have no control as to what format I could choose.
Bottom Line - the CDs come out just beautiful.
They play on my PC, in my truck, and all my friend's players as well.
I use cheap what's-ever-on-sale CDs. Most of the time, pretty good.
My question is...
Why would anyone want to burn a CD in MP3 format, when you know it's playability is extremely limited?? What are the advantages over regular "AUDIO CD"? What? Better fidelity?
I simply dump all my MP3 files into ImgBurn, hit "burn" and we're off and running.
I use only the "Write files/folders to disc" option and burn at 8X.
Many friends have old[er] CD players, and I've found that burning at a higher rate just fails.
Works for me, and is a great program. And God I hate to say it, it's FREE!
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Greg Wisecup
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Troy, Ohio
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Posted 19 May 2010 4:43 am
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OK boy's Let me make sure I got this down.
For playing discs on the computer or an mp3 playing device; record in mp3. (and record as a data file for more capacity)
For playing discs in your car or any other cd player record in wav.
Does this sum it up?
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 19 May 2010 5:02 am
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Mitch, I don't have any info on the years that they converted to playing MP3's - and it varies by auto manufacturer. But it's a safe bet that 2008 and newer all have MP3 capability. There are many prior to 2008 but not all. The number of "boom boxes" that play MP3's are becoming more and more but the last time I looked at Target there weren't that many.
Another issue with car factory CD players is that the ones without MP3 capability generally are also sensitive to the burn speed of audio CD's and some limited testing another person and I did on some "older" (older than 2006) models showed that 16X was the maximum for these models. As many older home and portable CD players also have problems with higher burn speeds, I have settled on 8X as my "standard" audio burn speed which makes them compatible with almost all audio CD players. I've sold my own instrumental CD's for the last 10 years and have not had any come back for playability problems.
As far as which CD burning program is the best, that is like asking which car brand is the best. I have Nero 9 and I also have imgburn and except for a couple of ISO DVD burns that is the only thing I've found that imgburn has over Nero for burning. |
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Mitch Drumm
From:
Frostbite Falls, hard by Veronica Lake
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Posted 19 May 2010 6:28 am
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| Greg Wisecup wrote: |
OK boy's Let me make sure I got this down.
For playing discs on the computer or an mp3 playing device; record in mp3. (and record as a data file for more capacity)
For playing discs in your car or any other cd player record in wav.
Does this sum it up? |
Greg:
Not necessarily. I did some experimentation last night with these results:
CD burns (mp3 or WAV) normally result in an "Audio Disc", limited to 80 minutes playing time, maybe 30 songs. These show as "CDA" files on the disc and should play back anywhere, including a car or computer. You don't get more capacity even if you burn mp3 files.
If you want "more capacity", you can't burn as an "Audio Disc". You would have to burn as "Data Disc", in which case your capacity is 700 megabytes, rather than a time limit.
Such a 700 megabyte disc would hold about 175 high quality mp3s, BUT won't play back everywhere and may have navigation issues. You would have to experiment to find out exactly where it would play. I have not made any such discs and have no first hand knowledge.
If I were going to play SONGS from a computer, I wouldn't use discs. I'd play directly from the hard drive through a home stereo system connected by ordinary cables. There are also wireless methods.
My own songs are mp3, but that is primarily because mp3s occupy less space on the hard drive (about 10% of the size of WAVs if I recall correctly.) You could use WAVs just as easily if you had no hard drive space issues. A thousand high quality mp3s takes up about 4 GB of space on a hard drive and a thousand WAVs then would be somewhere around 40 GB (give or take). WAVs have the advantage of higher fidelity, but you might not be able to tell the difference.
So--for "Audio discs", it wouldn't appear to matter if you used mp3 or WAV other than the higher fidelity of WAV files.
If you have no hard drive space issues, you could record EVERYTHING in WAV directly to your hard drive. You could then burn CDs as WAV or convert certain WAV files to mp3 format if you wanted to put them on a portable player that does not use discs.
FLAC is another highly regarded format. I think it is "lossless" like WAV, but occupies considerably less space (maybe triple the size of an mp3, which is still a lot less than WAV). It is a WAV alternative, but may not be supported by portable players.
Regarding portable devices that don't use a disc: the file type has to be supported by the particular player. Most play mp3, but I think some will not, so you may have to convert your files to another format, depending on what device you own.
Sorry if this is only more confusion. |
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Jim Cooley
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The 'Ville, Texas, USA
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Posted 27 May 2010 6:19 am
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The major difference between WAV and mp3s is the way the computer reads that data, and it is the same data in both cases. WAV files are the original, uncompressed files used to transfer the data. The computer reads all of the file. MP3s are compressed. the computer scans the data and basically elimininates the parts that it determines can't be distinguished by the human ear. That's why more songs can be recorded in mp3 than WAV.
I've burned mp3 files and play them on my auto CD players for years, and I burn them as data files, on data CDs, not audio CDs. I don't know of an automobile CD player that won't play mp3s. If you're using a program like Nero, check for an option to "finalize" the disc. If you don't do that, it very well might not play anywhere except on a computer.
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"The worst an honest man can do is make an honest mistake" - Augustus McCrae
"From the sweet grass to the packing house, birth 'til death, we travel between the eternities" - Prentiss Ritter
Too many steels, amps & other stuff, and an open mind. I have tube amp bias. |
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Greg Wisecup
From:
Troy, Ohio
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Posted 27 May 2010 6:37 am
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Great info Jim. I'll check for that option.
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Joey Ace
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Posted 4 Jun 2010 9:28 am
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| I don't know of an automobile CD player that won't play mp3s |
They exist. I have one. It's the stock radio in my 2006 PT Cruizer. Not that old.
Fortunatly it has an audio in jack, so I added a stamp size iPod Shuffle to it with double sided velcro tape. |
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