Lloyd Green ShoBud

Garry Pugh · From: Nashville Indiana

I may buy this guitar. I don't know much about Sho Buds. Can I get some feedback on this year of LDGs and a ballpark of what it is worth?
The pedal and knee lever action is good , it stays in tune, the finish is pretty good, there a few dings but thats it and sounds like a Sho Bud to me. Thanks.

Ronnie Boettcher · From: Brunswick Ohio, USA

I am no expert, but followed LDG's, I would say this one is from about 1980 and up. It has the straight knee levers, and the flat keyhead end. There are many who can come closer to the real date. Post the serial number, so others will know. It is a fine looking steel. Ronnie
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Larry Bell · From: Englewood, Florida

(Don't look now, but I think Ronnie is playing your guitar) Laughing

I had a SD-12 Bud from that same vintage -- Kurt Kowalski (who knows his stuff) told me it was an '85. It had SuperPro changer and mechanism -- which includes knee lever brackets made out of pot metal. I've broken one myself. I can't tell from the pictures but you may want (or NEED) to change them. There are several aftermarket makers of ShoBud parts. Jeff Surratt at Show Pro and John Coop come to mind. ShoBud was not known for its precision machining. Winking

It is a pretty guitar.
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Garry Pugh · From: Nashville Indiana

thanks Ronnie and Larry, I appreciate your comments.

I checked and the serial number is 13616. I guess I do have a little experience with Sho Bud. My 1st guitar in 1973 was a new Maverick. It sounded pretty good but that was about the extent of the good things I can say. It's a wonder I managed to be able to play at all. Thanks to Reece Anderson and Jeff Newman for showing me the light.

This guitar is pretty and it does sound good but I am more concerned about tuning issues and being able to work on it.

Larry Bell · From: Englewood, Florida

Garry,
John Coop is only a couple of hours from you near Muncie. You may want to have him take a look at the guitar if possible. He knows them inside out and makes parts out of better materials, built to original specs.

Just thought I'd mention it. It would be worth a phone call. I don't have his phone # handy but he is a member of the Forum and can be reached by Forum EMail.
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David Nugent · From: Gum Spring, Va.

Do not recognize the fretboard, but it is incorrect for that guitar. (That period LDG had the card suits with white markers.) You may want to check to see if the scale is accurate(24") or better yet, install a replacement Sho-Bud fretboard available from Tom Bradshaw.

Kevin Hatton · From: Buffalo, N.Y.

I second that David.

Garry Pugh · From: Nashville Indiana

yep your right about the fret board. It is true to scale, however, I'm not crazy about not having the original. Not sure how big a deal it is to replace it.

Larry I don't know John but I will look him up, thanks again.

Ronnie Boettcher · From: Brunswick Ohio, USA

Wow how I overlooked the fretboard. Yes it is not an original. And, this is for Larry. My LDG is a little more vintage. Mine was born in Feb. 1977. It has a gumby headstock and the curved knee levers. Also has the multi colored fretboard that collects dust. Ronnie Smile

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Alan Brookes · From: Brummy living in Southern California

The headstock doesn't look Sho-Bud to me. I probably haven't seen every model of Sho-Bud but the ones I have seen all seem to have had that classic "wing" at the top end of the headstock.

Tommy Gibbons · Posted 17 Mar 2010 6:40 pm **Ldg**

Garry, My LDG SP is Serial # 16304, it was built 4/2/81 in Conway Arkansas. It's almost identical to yours...

Paul Franklin Sr. usually built those for Shobud. The LDG came out in '73 and was built until Shobud closed in '85. The LDG had the same mechanism the D-10 models had at the year of when it was built. Shobud had 7 different mechanisms from '73 to '85

You can find them from $1750 to $2500...depends on condition, referb, etc.

For maintenance issues contact James Morehead on the FORUM.

PS...mine will not be for sale. I really enjoy it. You will too!!!

Tommy
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Garry Pugh · From: Nashville Indiana

Hey guys, I played the guitar tonight with a band and it was great. The tone was beautiful, the knees and the pedals were adjusted well and it stayed in tune.

Here is the problem: it has an Emmons set-up. The A and B pedal are fine, however, the C pedal which raises the 4th string E to F# and 5th string B to C#, has way too much travel. I use this pedal quite a bit and the transition is too much. I am used to setting the C pedal a little higher, so I feel it with my foot and it ends up with the same travel as the B pedal.

I worked hard on it last trying to reduce the travel however, I only suceeded in causing it to be way out of tune.

My question is, is this normal for an LDG and if not how can I adjust it?

Thanks

Dave Grafe · From: Hudson River Valley NY

Garry, the bell cranks that the pedal rods attach to have three holes, to shorten the pedal travel attach the rod to a hole closer to the pivot, to lengthen the travel attach the rod to a hole farther from the pivot point.

On my '78 Pro I - very similar vintage to your LDG - I attach A & C rods to the respective middle holes and B to the outer one, this more-or-less equalizes the travel, and I put a spot of ink over the holes that work best to assist with quick and accurate setup.
Hopefully this will make everything fine, that's a sweet guitar for certain...

Garry Pugh · From: Nashville Indiana

Thanks Dave that helped quite a bit. I also found a loose phillips head screw which was not allowing the C pedal to stop completely.

I sure do love the tone and the vintage look of this guitar. I will probably keep it a couple more days just to be sure, then "pay the man".

Thanks to everyone for their comments.

Sonny Priddy · From: Elizabethtown, Kentucky, USA, R.I.P.

Great Guitars I Have one You Won't Go Wrong On It J don't Think. SONNY.

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