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Jesse Parrish
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Missouri, USA
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Posted 21 Jan 2010 9:37 am |
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Howdy.., I got a sho-bud maverick that has 1 knee lever that RAISES 2 strings. I don't know which 2 they pull, or what combinations I could use it with.
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Bent Romnes
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Posted 21 Jan 2010 10:33 am
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Hi Jesse, welcome to this great forum!
If your knee lever is rigged up to raise the 4th and 8th strings a half tone, leave things as is. A whole bunch of music can be made with the AB ped combination and the AF combination. F here being the KL that raises E's to F
If it's something other than that raise, I would recommend you set the lever up to lower the 4th and 8th a half tone - to Eb. With only one lever, that is the change most used
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Pat Comeau
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Jim Smith
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Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 21 Jan 2010 10:43 am
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| The Mavericks were shipped with the knee lever lowering 2 and 8 a half tone: String 2 D#-D and string 8 E-D#. It's complicated to raise and lower the same string on that simple changer. |
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 21 Jan 2010 2:17 pm
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Jesse,
That Maverick has a bright tone, but it's brainless, without an universal changer. It would be good for playing "straight steel", due to the lack of changer assemblies. I installed 4 knee levers on one of those bitchy bird's-eye maple no count contraptions, just to prove that I could do it. However, the entire screw assembly at the changer is impossible to tune, without a lot of work where the screws constantly grind out the soft aluminum string pulls. |
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J D Sauser
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Wellington, Florida
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Posted 22 Jan 2010 6:43 am Lowering the E's; some thoughts.
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The ideal would be to be able to lower BOTH "E's" half.
As indicated above, on a single finger changer, it is somewhat complicated to both, raise the 4th string E with the C-pedal AND lower with a lever too.
You may want to do a search on this and the Pedal Steel forum for "pull release changer". That's an arrangement used to allow both, raise and lower on one string, using a spring pulled median ("neutral") position with a single finger changer like Marlen steels had for years.
As a cheap and mechanically simple alternative, you could tune both E's to open Eb and have that lever simply raise them to E and the C pedal raise the 4th string 3 semitones to F#. You would then mostly play with the lever engaged and only release it to get that E-drop, basically inverting the action.
... J-D.
Pull Release Changer: Found it!:
The "Sell Changer" probably once posted on this forum (I saved it). A typical pull release changer:
The finger is pulled by a spring into a "median" position (open tuning), from which it can be raised with a basic pull (either stopping at the end plate as shown, a stop plate in front of the finger or a tuning screw only at the pedal cross shaft) and lowered by a PUSHING rod overriding the force of the pulling spring described at the beginning... hence, Pull Release.
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 22 Jan 2010 8:59 am
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JD,
I wish the owner of the guitar would reply as to what strings the lever raises. Because if it i really is the 4 and 8 as I mentioned, then wouldn't he be just as well off to leave as is after getting it in tune, as to fiddle with it and risk throwing off the whole changer setup?
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J Fletcher
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London,Ont,Canada
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Posted 22 Jan 2010 9:24 am
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| I thought Mavericks had A,B,C pedals, and a lever that lowered strings 8 and 2 a half step. Couldn't lower string 4 because string 4 had a full tone raise with the C pedal. Changer was set up to either raise or lower, couldn't do both. At least not without modification...Jerry |
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 22 Jan 2010 9:52 am
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Bent,
If a newcomer wishes for specific changes, that are not in place on any student model steel, the requirements include getting up from the easy chair and deciding how to approach the problem. I think that flimflamming could be a problem, if the one seeking advice meets up with someone who is overconfident in making the changes. The stops and returns must retain acceptable accuracy. When all levers and pedals are released, the steel must return to perfect pitch, otherwise doing the work would be a waste of time. |
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 22 Jan 2010 2:02 pm Re: 1 lone knee lever
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| Jesse Parrish wrote: |
Howdy.., I got a sho-bud maverick that has 1 knee lever that RAISES 2 strings. I don't know which 2 they pull, or what combinations I could use it with.
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Mine has two pedals and one knee lever - LKL. I use the lever to raise both E strings (4 and 8) to F. You can see me playing it on YouTube (skip the first 2 minutes of the video to get past the talking).
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 22 Jan 2010 3:15 pm
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Bent,
Nothing that I said was aimed at you. |
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 22 Jan 2010 4:37 pm
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Bill, Oh..it appeared that way since you prefaced your post with my name
Anyway, I wish that Jerry would reply as to what that knee lever really does, it would kinda help us help him..
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J D Sauser
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Posted 22 Jan 2010 8:31 pm
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Many years back, so many it's almost scary, the very first pedal steel I ever owned was a Little Buddy. It had 10 strings and 3 plastic ShoBud styled pedals. The bell cranks were kind'a Emmons PP style but made of pot metal, they had all stripped.
I had no clue whatsoever and the internet was only about to be invented and I was far, far away from the US and any access to knowledge. Even names like Emmons, Scotty or Jeff where unknown to me.
In the case, lucky me, I found a pouch with strings and it said Nashville E9th tuning and luckily it showed the pulls; 3 pedals and ONE knee lever lowering both E's half.
I had no access to a decent tool shop, not much money and no experience with these beasts. I had a table drill press, a hack saw and a table vise. I created some crude new bell cranks and "invented" a pull release system to make the apparently impossible possible; to lower my 4th string E to Eb over the C-pedal whole tone pull. It was crude, maybe even ugly but it worked and was stable.
Now, I was always handy with a screw driver and I've always been into fixing things.
But yes, it can be done.
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Ray McCarthy
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New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 23 Jan 2010 4:32 am
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| I started out on one of those black vinyl-covered Fender student models--built by Sho-Bud--and I assume they had the same setup as the Maverick. The guitar came w/one lever lowering the 2nd and 4th a half step. I re-configured the lever to lower the 8th instead of the 2nd, and, although I can't remember just how I did it, I know it wasn't difficult at all. |
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 23 Jan 2010 6:21 am
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JD, Great snapshot of you. When the will is there you do succeed. My Dad used to say: The interest is the driving force
You were interested and driven to find this beast out - and you succeeded.
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 23 Jan 2010 7:21 am
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Jeff Newman produced a series of country favorites in the 70's proving that he could work with 3 pedals and one knee lever. My good buddy Chuck Sherman gave me a copy circa 1979. That's all well, and good, however time would reveal that 4 and 5 knee levers are the bare minimum required to achieve successes in playing wide grip chords. Lloyd Green's E-F discovery, may very well surpass the significance of Bud Isaac's amazing forward leap in the management of pedal arrangements. I often wonder why Alvino Rey never caught on to those "split" pedal arrangements, since his first pedal steel was built in 1939. His genius cannot be disputed, even in these modern times. I would suggest the order of importance of knee lever placings, would be as follows: (1) 4&8 lowered, (2) 2nd lowered, (3) 4&8 raised 1/2 tone, (4) 1&7 raised 1/2 step. The late wizard in adding
additional changes was Jimmy Crawford. Once the aforementioned changes are secured, a network of experimental changes have made their way into the lever arrangements. The advanced players seeking that magic sound, have moved on to adding levers to lower at least 4 more strings. Many of the heroes of the pedal steel, including Jerry Byrd, demonstrated the beauty of the instrument through musical genius. I'm not aware of Jerry ever attempting to use knee levers. If Jerry ever commented on the Sho-Bud student model, it would be interesting to read any comments that he could have made. Years ago (1980's) a gentleman who owned a professional model single MSA, offered to sell it with case, volume pedal, and everything needed to take to the gig. It featured 4 knee levers, and was in perfect condition. His asking price was merely $250.00. Fran Duppy encouraged me to purchase the steel. I let it slip by at the time. How I regret that mistake today! Fran was a big fan of the pedal steel, a real gentleman who owned and operated Fran's Guitar Studio in Adams, MA, for many years; now deceased. The little student model steel guitars are selling for double the asking price for the professional MSA single neck, offered at 1/8 of its true value. |
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 23 Jan 2010 8:40 am
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Bill, Are you sure that the value of a S10 MSA would have been $2000, even with VP and case in the 80's?
I bought my D10 Classic for 1850 (Can) Brand new in 1976. Did that one come with an amp as well maybe?
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 23 Jan 2010 11:54 am
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Bent,
You would be lucky if you could rub two nickels together, should you go out on a steel guitar shopping spree today, and purchase the guitar, volume pedal, and everything necessary to make music for $2000. Back when the offer was made, new steel guitars indeed, were priced lower in retail stores. Marketing the finished product today, involves some serious cash flow. You really couldn't strut your stuff today, without about five grand to drop down at musical outlets. That would include the extra baggage, including both tunings. Owning decent equipment involves expenditures usually just out of reach of ordinary costly necessities. Five grand is not that easy to figure into a tight budget. |
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Jesse Parrish
From:
Missouri, USA
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Posted 23 Jan 2010 3:10 pm 1 knee lever reply
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Hey y'all, sorry I haven't been able to supply more info, but this is how this POS Maverick has been set up.
F#
D#
G# B
E C
B A,C
G# B
F#
E
D
B A
Once again, this knee lever has the ability to raise 2 strings. Thanks again |
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Bent Romnes
From:
London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 24 Jan 2010 9:11 am
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Jerry, you showed us the functions of your ABC pedals
You still didn't show us the knee lever function..that's what this thread was all about, right?
Tell us what strings the KL pulls.
If you mean that the lever is not hooked up to the changer, then you hook it up so it lowers 4 and 8 strings a half tone (one fret)
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