pedal G# to G

Bob Ripperden · From: St. Louis, Missouri, USA

Does anyone use a pedal or KL on a E9th to lower the G# on the 6th string to make a minor chord? I just wonder why I have not seen it or heard of it. It would seem to me that it would nice to play a minor in the root poisson.
Bob

Cliff Kane · From: the late great golden state

Hi Bob,
a lot of people get that note with a split with the B pedal: drop string 6 a whole tone with a KL to F# and then raise it a half tone up to G with pedal B. That's pretty cool because you can do a full tone drop and a half tone drop on string 6. Some people get the G on string 7 F# to G.

Mike Perlowin · From: Los Angeles CA

Bengt Erlandsen · From: Brekstad, NORWAY

Both my S10 and S12extE9 has a 2nd LKL (front) that lowers 6 string G#-G

I use it more to go A+B -> A -> A+LKL2 to get the dom7th voicing than to just get the minor chord in open position

Other use is to play string 6 & 5 (open position) add A pedal to get the 6th sound, slide up 1 fret and add LKL2 at the same time to get the dom7th before sliding back 1 fret and release LKL2 while adding B pedal for A+B.

There is several other small melody moves that can be done with a lever that lower 6th string G#-G

A 2nd LKL that can be engaged w the tip of my knee seems to be the perfect place to have that lever.

With LKL2 fully engaged I am almost hitting LKL1 (E's to F) and a tiny twist of the hips ccw will make left knee hit the aft lever instead.

Ben Lawson · From: Brooksville Florida

My LKL front lowers both G#'s to G. E's to F is LKL rear. I have to position my left leg correctly or I miss the front lever. Oh the pain we go through to play these things.

Billy Carr · From: Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)

I lower my #6 G# to a G with the LKV. It used to be on the RKL. Now that's lowering #7, F# to a E and raising #2, Eb to a F. LKL, LKR & RKR are standard set up.

Scott Swartz · From: St. Louis, MO

It also works great for playing descending lines on strings 3,5 and similar intervals.

Instead of simultaneously sliding back (lowering the pitch) and engaging the A and B pedals, you slide back and engage the G#-G making for a very smooth sounding lower.

Pete Burak · From: Portland, OR USA

I love the G#>G change.
I have it on RKL.
It is also an alternative for the C pedal for those that have ditched the C pedal.

Like in the Key of G.
3rd fret open.
5th fret with G#>G.
7th fret with G#>G.
Play it forward or backwards, (stopping off at fret 6 G#>G to taste).

Brint Hannay · From: Maryland, USA

I lower both G#'s to G with LKL front. I use it all the time for minor, dom7, and diminished chords. On a couple of steels I have that only have four levers, I add a half stop to my 6th string F# lower on LKR instead. (I have my E lowers on RKL--the positions of these two levers could be reversed.) I guess setting up a split with the B pedal would do the same thing, but I've never liked the idea of having to hit two things to obtain one note.

I still have the C pedal, but I only use it for the melodic function of the F# raise, and playing harmonized melody with strings 3&4 or 4&6. For minors, I use the G lower(s). They let you add the seventh or sixth to the chord on string 2 or 9 and give more options for smooth movement to other pedal configurations. If I want 2 minor, I go up two frets with the G lowers. Can't do the snappy on-and-off B&C chord move with the G lowers, but I still have that if I want it, and I try to avoid doing that anyway!

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

Bob Ripperden · From: St. Louis, Missouri, USA

Thank all of you for your reply. I will see if I can set up something to make this happen, it sounds like a good move.
thanks again,
Bob

Ethan Shaw · From: Texas, USA

Ralph Mooney lowers the high one on a pedal, but he doesn't really use it to play a minor chord unless it's resolving to the major 3rd...but he uses that change all the time. I used to lower both 3rds on pedal 1, but now just play Mooney tuning. The lower octave minor chord is just two frets away, with the root on the F# string.

Jerry Hayes · From: Virginia Beach, Va.

I like Pete B's take on using it instead of the "C" pedal. Here's a nice exercise in the key of A.

Go to the fifth fret, play strings 3,4,and 5 in this order: 3-5-4-3 When you've played the last note slide to the 7th fret while all three strings are still ringing and apply the G# to G pedal during the slide so it's fully engaged when you reach the 7th fret.

At the 7th fret (keeping the pedal engaged) play strings 5, 4 & 3 and then slide to the 9th fret while all three strings are ringing together.

Then after you've played the position at the 9th fret, slide back to the 7th doing the same picking sequence...

Finally slide back to the 5th fret, releasing the pedal before you get there.

You can also use this to go from a I to a IV chord. Instead of going back to the 7th fret from the 9th, go up to the 10th fret (D chord) while releasing the pedal during the move from the 9th to 10th frets.....JH in Va.
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