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Topic: Help IDing old S10 Sho Bud |
Brad Issendorf
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Lake City, Minnesota
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 12:00 pm |
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The guitar player from the band I play with often brought along an old steel that he said he had bought years ago, and was wondering if I could get it to a useable condition again. I was curious if anyone could help me identify what model/year it might be. Its a blonde S-10 Sho Bud, round front, rack and barrel with gumby style keyhead. It doesn't say Pro 1 on the front so is it a single neck Professional or a high end Maverick. I am no expert but I didn't think Mavericks had the gumby head stock or rack and barrel or the inlay. Also, I didn't think that Professionals had a roller nut?
I am just curious because it seems to have been modified over the years. There are 5 wide pedals and 1 home-brew (I think) knee lever. The pedals I think are the center mounted 3 and somebody added the left two and just left the extra on the pedal bar. I am not sure but the one knee is not tear drop shaped and is a Rl which lowers the Es. Would they not have come with knee levers or would only one have been factory? I am no Sho Bud expert but I am interested in this and of getting this thing playable again, so any help is appreciated.
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Andy Sandoval
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Bakersfield, California, USA
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 12:42 pm
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Hi Brad, here's a link to some Sho-Bud info that might help. Click Here
Last edited by Andy Sandoval on 27 Dec 2009 3:20 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Brad Issendorf
From:
Lake City, Minnesota
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 12:52 pm
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Andy, For some reason, I'm having trouble with the link.
Thanks,
Brad |
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 12:53 pm
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Brad,
Sounds like it might be a late-'60s Baldwin 'Bud. A lot of these had the pedals centered. Some of the transition guitars of this period had knee levers that folded in several pieces via a hex screw. Many mistake them for repros because they are not teardrop. Also, these guitars would definitely have a roller nut. All of this, of course, is conjecture based on your description. As always, pics would solve the mystery.
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Skip Edwards
From:
LA,CA
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 12:54 pm
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Sounds like it might be an old 6140...a sgl 10 that came with 6 pedals.
Older Mav's had gumby headstocks.
Question... does the body have any inlay or a back shelf? How about a roller nut?
Pics will help.
In any case, late 60's to early 70's. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 2:44 pm
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Does it look like this? 6 pedals in the middle. Wood wrapping around the changer?
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Andy Sandoval
From:
Bakersfield, California, USA
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 3:21 pm
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| Sorry about that Brad, try it now. Click Here |
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 3:36 pm
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If it does not have the wrap-around wood like in John's pic, it probably will have the metal changer housing like this one. Yeah, that 6140 is likely it, as Skip says, but that model transcends a few years, like Chris and John comment about. Reguardless the year, those old roundfront 'buds are loaded with tone and karisma. 
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James Morehead
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Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 3:38 pm
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| Hey Andy, that's a real cool site, huh?? |
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Brad Issendorf
From:
Lake City, Minnesota
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 5:18 pm
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Sorry, been called into work and away from the computer for a while. It looks like the one that John's photo shows. It has inlays on the front apron, and both front and rear sides of the neck. The nut is roller. There are two knobs, tone controls mabey, and a two position switch between them. This poor guitar is fairly beat, the aluminum is all corroded. Also someone has added those stamped out label maker things on the fret board labeling the open chord positions and fret numbers. Aparently the factory fret markers must not have been good enough.  |
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 6:23 pm
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I think it might be a 6139 like the one pictured here. That's me with my new 6139 in the fall of 1972.
Notice the aluminum neck extension, as well as the gumby keyhead and the one RKL..all which were typical of 6139
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 6:34 pm
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| Well, if it has the wood wrap-around changer, 1967 to mid '68. |
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 6:42 pm
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Bent, You are having to much fun in that picture.
I'd say Skip is dead on about the 6 pedals. 6140ish |
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Brad Issendorf
From:
Lake City, Minnesota
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 7:20 pm
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This one does have the wood wrap around the changer neck. I can't see that it ever had more than 5 pedals though. On the guitars with the six pedals, how would the changes be set up originally? And did they have knee levers? It will be interesting to see when I get it all going again how the toggle switch and dual pot. work. The guy who owns it wants me to get it going and then bring it along to play part of a job with it. What if I like it and can't give it up?  |
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James Morehead
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Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 7:23 pm
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| Hey Brad, Shobuds will do that to ya, so you better run the other way!! LOL!! |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 7:26 pm
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| My '67 has 6 pedals, and two right knee levers. You gotta understand that, back then, you could order anything you wanted. |
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Brad Issendorf
From:
Lake City, Minnesota
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 7:37 pm
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| By looking at the link that Andy sent, I can see that the possibilties are endless. Also from past threads, Sho Buds seem to be almost custom built with whatever stock they had left as they built them. About 5 or so years ago, I got invited an older gentleman's apartment to try out his steel. That was a Pro I. Man, what sound that thing had. I still remember it. |
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Skip Edwards
From:
LA,CA
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Posted 27 Dec 2009 9:00 pm
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The older 6139's had 3 pedals closer to the center of the body, so it wouldn't surprise me if someone added two pedals to the left of the original 3.
Nothing surprises me any more when it comes to these old Buds.
Except Gene Haugh's knowledge of the serial numbers... |
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