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Topic: Pat Martino & Joey DeFrancesco on YouTube |
Jim Cohen
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Philadelphia, PA
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Bo Borland
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Posted 6 Dec 2008 4:21 pm |
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The video of Pat, John Scofield, and Joey doing Sunny, WHEW!!
Joey's solo is amazing!
Not too sure what I think about Pat's 32 bar 3 note solo... but I know it's jazz!
edited because I spelled (and) wrong...
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Bill Hatcher
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Posted 6 Dec 2008 6:07 pm
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| Bo Borland wrote: |
The video of Pat, John Scofield, amd Joey doing Sunny, WHEW!!
Joey's solo is amazing!
Not too sure what I think about Pat's 32 bar 3 note solo... but I know it's jazz! |
It's called "tension". |
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Bo Borland
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Posted 6 Dec 2008 6:14 pm
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Tension? Maybe, but I thought it was way cool ,the way Joey brought the "tension" back at the end of his solo, repeating a similar lick... he might be counting but I think he just has incredible feel... must be something in the Philadelphia water.
Meanwhile, I just spent the last couple hours watching Martino, the Benson, then tons of LesPaul stuff.. like a pig in slop!! 
punctuation this time |
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Jack Francis
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Queen Creek, Arizona, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2008 7:14 pm
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Joey..GREAT musician but totally devoid of "Social Graces".
His work with Danny Gatton was one of my favorite CD's...I ran into him while he was working a booth at a NAMM show in Anehiem years ago...I walked up and could see that he was alone so there was no interruption... I told him that I enjoyed the work he did on the CD he did with Danny...He said "That's nice" and turned and walked to the other side of the small booth with his back to us. The jazz guitarist that was with me said that he thought he was the "Ruddest B...." he'd ever run into at a NAMM show...especially working a booth. I chaulked it up to his youth.  |
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 6 Dec 2008 7:26 pm
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| Yup. These trios with Pat and Joey are amazing. We went over this in a thread a while back, but repeated listening does not diminish it one iota. |
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Lee Baucum
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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 6 Dec 2008 9:46 pm
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Joey is just incredible. I can see why he may be lacking in social graces. How would you like to haul a Hammond B3 and a couple of Leslie's around to every gig? 
Here is a great video showing how he sets his drawbars. You can see that left had working the bass lines. I had always thought he was doing the walking bass lines with his left foot.
Click Here
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Stephen Gambrell
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Over there
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Posted 7 Dec 2008 3:08 am
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| I wish I had enough guitar chops to play in an organ trio. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 8 Dec 2008 9:51 am
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| Bill Hatcher wrote: |
| Bo Borland wrote: |
The video of Pat, John Scofield, amd Joey doing Sunny, WHEW!!
Joey's solo is amazing!
Not too sure what I think about Pat's 32 bar 3 note solo... but I know it's jazz! |
It's called "tension". |
I could almost imagine Pat thinking "I'll play this mindless riff ad infinitum just to kill some time, and the audience will think it's terribly complicated and wonderful!" |
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Bo Borland
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Posted 9 Dec 2008 1:13 am
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| It almost seemed like his brain got stuck. |
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Danny Bates
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Fresno, CA. USA
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Posted 9 Dec 2008 3:57 am
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Jack, I met him at the NAMM show also.
A man of few words... IMHO, He shouldn't be representing a company (Hammond/Suzuki) if he doesn't want to talk very much.
He did seem a little paranoid. Maybe it was the same day you met him.
He's still my favorite B3 player of all time. |
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Glenn Suchan
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Posted 10 Dec 2008 1:52 pm
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| His work with Danny Gatton was one of my favorite CD's |
Jack, Relentless is one of my favorite CD's, too. I love the free-for-all approach Danny and Joey take on these songs. The only thing with it is; as amazing as Danny's guitar abilities were, he was basically a rock, country, and blues picker. When it comes to jazz chops, Joey D. is at the top of anyone's list, and it takes a full-blown jazz picker to lock-horns with him. The differences in their jazz vocabulary is evident.
For a similar CD, but with the guitar and Hammond B3 played at equal levels of ability, check out Like That, by Jimmy Bruno. Jimmy and Joey are tour de force on this. In particular, Jimmy's song, "Pat's House" (an obvious tribute to Pat Martino), is every bit as high energy as Relentless, and Jimmy and Joey really can "lock-horns". Here's a link:
http://www.amazon.com/Jimmy-Bruno-Special-Guest-DeFrancesco/dp/B0000006PN/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1228945661&sr=1-1
Keep on pickin'!
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Roger Shackelton
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MINNESOTA (deceased)
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Posted 10 Dec 2008 5:18 pm Shy Muscians
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Over the past 40 years I've met quite a few musicians, some were friendly & talkative and some weren't. Just because a person has a great musical talent doesn't mean they are social animals.? 
I just figure they are socially very shy people. It's no reason to condemn them.
At age 17 PF walked away from me to seek out his mentor BE.
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 11 Dec 2008 7:50 am
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I've never quite understood exactly why audiences seem to really respond to an improvisor repeating a lick over and over. Maybe it seems to non-musicians like they're really feelin' it or something. When I see it, I'm often suspicious of the player's motive. In this clip,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4gydBZtBgQ
Larry Coryell responds to being outclassed by Farlow et al with the repeated riff technique. For added spice, he throws in the pained, orgasmic guitar face; highly lame. Somehow, unlike Coryell, Martino has earned the right to a free pass on this in my eyes as he could easily smoke through the changes at any time with Martino-style surgical precision. To my hears Joey D. clearly plays the best solo of all - beating the guitar players handedly.
Agree about Relentless. It's a great record and it's fun to hear jazz played with Gatton's approach but his need to take everything over the top in every tune doesn't always serve the music. |
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 11 Dec 2008 8:10 am
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| I've never quite understood exactly why audiences seem to really respond to an improvisor repeating a lick over and over. ... |
At a certain level, I don't think it really matters why they respond to repeated riffing. In fact, many audiences do respond, and in a live setting, I don't think it's unreasonable for musicians to react in kind. Lots of live music is best when it's a two-way relationship between performers and audience - to my tastes.
I admit, this repeated riff didn't do a lot for me on a little video clip either, but maybe in the venue, in the moment, it would have. I also assume he had a point to it - this is Pat Martino, not C.C. Deville.
On Danny Gatton - sometimes he would overplay, to my tastes. But I don't think he always took everything over-the-top - far from it. I guess it's just a matter of personal taste. Restraint is also something that can be overdone. My opinion, of course. |
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 11 Dec 2008 8:23 am
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| Fair points, Dave. On reflection, I agree - Gatton could indeed play with taste and restraint - case in point: his rendition of Quiet Village. He was an exciting player to be sure and his style merged roackabilly, country, blues and jazz in such a seamlesss stream. |
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Mark Carlisle
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Springville CA
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Posted 12 Dec 2008 9:10 am
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All you Joey D fans should check out his "Goodfellas" CD also-Frank Vignola is IMHO one of THE most tasteful, melodic players out there today.
I had a chance to take a few lessons with Jimmy Bruno when he still lived in a row house in Philly. One of the most a** puckering musical experiences in my life, but also one of the most rewarding. Still can't play like him, but I'll never ever forget it. |
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Jim Robbins
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Ontario, Canada
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Posted 12 Dec 2008 8:36 pm
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| Re the three note thing, John Cage said something along the lines of "if something is boring, keep doing it and eventually it becomes interesting." Mind you, I've never found John Cage interesting. But both Scofield and Joey Defrancesco do some pretty neat things with repetition & counter rhythms in Sunny. |
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Scott Hiestand
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MA, U.S.A
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Posted 2 Jan 2009 8:07 am
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We all know Pat is from another planet!!
Seriously, in my opinion he is one of the few true musical geniuses of our time, and considering he had to basically relearn his instrument after a serious brain hemmorhage makes his story even more compelling and unbelievable.
I have seen him live and "up close" twice. The best concerts I have ever been to - hands down. |
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Mark Carlisle
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Springville CA
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Posted 2 Jan 2009 7:59 pm
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Yes, Scott, Pat is not of this world. One small story-I saw him at the Jazz Bakery in Culver City a few years ago. Date and I arrived a bit early for the show and I went in the W.C. As I was letting nature take it's course I noticed someone came in to use urinal next to the one I was using..sure enough, it was Pat. I casually mentioned that we had a common friend Jimmy Bruno and we ended up talking for about five minutes in the lobby. He is so soft spoken, a truly cultured and brilliant human being.
As they say-he's mastered the guitar twice-which is two times more than I have or probably ever will. |
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Scott Hiestand
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MA, U.S.A
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Posted 6 Jan 2009 2:34 pm
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Mark
That's neat you were able to talk to Pat! (Maybe not the "choice spot" but hey, who cares!! You may be one of the few that have done that!) A few years back I bought a CD/book combo by him and when I heard his low voice I almost keeled over - quite a surprise coming from such a "non-imposing" guy.
He's truly one-of-a-kind and I feel privileged just to have been able to listen to and appreciate him all these years - and, of course, that he is still with us! |
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 6 Jan 2009 4:51 pm
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I love Pat's playing. I first heard and met him back in 1975 at the Jazz Workshop in Boston when I was a student at Berklee College of Music. He opened the first set with a version of Coltrane's tune Impressions that was absolutely mindblowing. I went up and talked to him after the show, and he was very friendly towards me. We talked about guitar greats Johnny Smith and Wes Montgomery who were a big influence and inspiration for Pat.
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 8 Dec 2009 12:23 pm
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| Not too sure what I think about Pat's 32 bar 3 note solo... but I know it's jazz! |
I know I'm resurrecting an old thread, but I just ran across this youtube of Grant Green from 1964 (Talkin about J.C.) with a similar type of 3-note motif going on for a while, starting around 01:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpGwmlDGbWI |
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 8 Dec 2009 3:21 pm
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| Great audio on that clip from a very great, somewhat under-the-radar guitarist. Grant Green sure played with feeling.In re-reading my comments in the old thread I was probably unfair to Larry Coryell who, though some of his playing isn't to my taste, is certainly a good musician. My favorite Coryell record was his duet album with Emily Remler. |
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John Macy
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Rockport TX/Denver CO
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Posted 10 Dec 2009 9:54 am
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We just had a guy in the studio for a few days from Virginia named Daniel Clarke--what a monster Hammond player (along with everything else with keys on it). He plays with the Modern Groove Syndicate out of Richmond--check those boys out. He also tours with KD Lang (along with fellow forumite Joshua Grange) and Mandy Moore. I think the B3 is my favorite instrument right after that mechanical pitch approximator that we play...
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