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Topic: Johnny Paycheck recording information |
Andy Greatrix
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Edmonton Alberta
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Posted 16 Nov 2009 12:53 pm |
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Does anyone know the name of the LP or CD that the recorded version of "An old violin" is on? I would love to aquire it. It just blows me away!
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Leroy Riggs
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Looney Tunes, R.I.P.
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Rick Campbell
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Sneedville, TN, USA
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Posted 16 Nov 2009 3:30 pm
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You can download it from Walmart for $0.94 and there's youtube videos of it performed live. Also check out "Memory of A Memory" and "If You Think You're Lonely". Great classic music by one of the best.
You have a good ear for music!
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Ron Page
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Penn Yan, NY USA
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Posted 17 Nov 2009 9:46 am
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"The Soul & The Edge" is a great collection for Paycheck fans. Especially if a lot of your originals went the way of 8-track tapes. 
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Andy Greatrix
From:
Edmonton Alberta
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Posted 17 Nov 2009 12:13 pm
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Thanks for the replies, guys. As it turns out, my wife informed me that we already have that CD. She buys even more country CD's than I do.
Among the current crop of top-forty country singers today, there aren't to many that can match Johnny Paycheck, when it comes to raw emotional delivery.
Depending what the song is, his singing gives me major goose bumps. |
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Rick Campbell
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Sneedville, TN, USA
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Posted 17 Nov 2009 2:30 pm
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| Andy Greatrix wrote: |
Among the current crop of top-forty country singers today, there aren't to many that can match Johnny Paycheck, when it comes to raw emotional delivery.
Depending what the song is, his singing gives me major goose bumps. |
I can't think of a single one. It's hard to tell, because the songs being done now don't lend themselves to this.
This is what I mean when I say there's a lot of difference in George Straight and Alan Jackson, as compared to the real traditional country guys. Compared to Brad Paisley and Kenny Chesney, GS and AJ probably seem pretty traditional, but compare them to Paycheck, and that's another story. They're good entertainers, but I've never got any goose bumps from either one of them. John Anderson and "Just Came Home To Count The Memories" does it for me too. When top 40 starts playing these kind of songs, even if by new artist, I'll get very interested. Until then, I don't have time to waste on it. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 17 Nov 2009 3:52 pm
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One of Paycheck's best later recordings (vocal-wise), I was always confounded by the lack of more fiddle playing in the song?
Had I engineered it, someone like Mark O'Conner would have done the intro, with the polish gradually fading through the song until it finished with some of that scratchy, Chubby Wise (old bluegrass) type of playing, thereby showing a gradual degradation, of sorts. (There's a name for that "scratchy" type of fiddle playing, but it escapes me at the moment.) |
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Brint Hannay
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Maryland, USA
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Posted 17 Nov 2009 4:02 pm
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| Andy Greatrix wrote: |
| Among the current crop of top-forty country singers today, there aren't to many that can match Johnny Paycheck, when it comes to raw emotional delivery. |
There aren't too many among any crop of singers, any time, country, top-forty, or otherwise. IMO.  |
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Graham
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Marmora, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 17 Nov 2009 4:31 pm
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IMO, his best stuff were the records he did for Little Darlin' with Lloyd on steel.
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Andy Greatrix
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Edmonton Alberta
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Posted 17 Nov 2009 4:49 pm
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| Vince Gill can bring it pretty good when he wants to, but he's in a category all to himself. |
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Rick Campbell
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Sneedville, TN, USA
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Posted 17 Nov 2009 5:37 pm
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| Donny Hinson wrote: |
One of Paycheck's best later recordings (vocal-wise), I was always confounded by the lack of more fiddle playing in the song?
Had I engineered it, someone like Mark O'Conner would have done the intro, with the polish gradually fading through the song until it finished with some of that scratchy, Chubby Wise (old bluegrass) type of playing, thereby showing a gradual degradation, of sorts. (There's a name for that "scratchy" type of fiddle playing, but it escapes me at the moment.) |
Donny - I think "scratchy" is the best term, but Chubby Wise is not the guy. Chubby had good tone. Listen to his Monroe and Hand Snow recordings. "Scratchy" is more related to "old time" fiddlers, not bluegrass or country fiddlers. You might be thinking of "Georgia Bow" but that is in reference to the rhythm of sawing and sawing....... which is a very corny thing to do with a fiddle... in my opinion. Paul Warren (Flatt and Scruggs) was a Georgia Bow fiddler. I suppose that's why I prefer Monroe's music over Flatt and Scruggs, but I liked some of their stuff too. Ralph Stanley and Stanley Brothers has a lot of Georgia Bow in it too. Another fiddle term you hear sometimes is "cornstalk fiddle". A fiddle is a wonderful and beautiful instrument, but it can get into "corn country" if you let it. It's kind of sad, but some people seem to think corn fiddlers are good because of the ryhthm of it. I try hard not to play that way. Enough of the fiddle lessons. 
BTW: I agree on the fiddles for Old Violin. Glen Duncan would have been great for that. I always got the feeling that Old Violin was cut without much thought. Maybe this one was "under-produced". (don't hear that very often). |
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Tommy Minniear
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Logansport, Indiana
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Posted 18 Nov 2009 10:12 am
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Rick, I know this is Off Topic for this thread unless "anything fiddle" makes it ok. A couple quick questions:
1. What are they talking about in regards to "garden seed" fiddle playing in reference to what Jerry Rivers played on Hank Williams recordings and shows?
2. In regards to a Porter Wagoner Show I recently watched on RFD TV, I was wondering what is the style of fiddle playing Mack MaGayhay<---spelling?......played?.....I admired Mack's attitude & constant smile and dancing, but his fiddle playing sounds plenty scratchy to me.... 
By the time Old Violin was recorded, I don't think the folks at Mercury records were to excited about spending a bundle on the Modern Times album project. If I remember right, it was shortly after its release, he was sentenced to that prison term in Chillicothe, Ohio. |
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Rick Campbell
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Sneedville, TN, USA
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Posted 18 Nov 2009 6:08 pm
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Tommy,
Maybe b0b will tolerate a little fiddle talk here.
"Garden Seed" fiddle is a new term to me. I don't know too much about Jerry Rivers fiddle playing. I've heard it on the old Hank records, but it didn't really get my attention. I'd just say "uneventful". Actually, I'm like Johnny Cox mentioned in another thread, the music of that time was not my favorite. I like some of Hanks songs, but not the music too much. A lot of it had to do with the recording technology of the time too.
Mack played a lot of georgia bow with Porter and his showmanship made him a very popular fiddler. Georgia bow and Cajun fiddle playing are first cousins. I think his best work was with Don Reno and Red Smiley prior to Porter. Mack was a really good player, and he knew the difference between country and bluegrass. Every now and then he'd play twin fiddles with Vassar, Red Hayes, etc... on the show when Faron or someone would be there. Again, the acoustics of the Poter show were not the best I've ever heard. Porter liked bluegrass fiddlers. He had Bobby Hicks at one time.
For me, country fiddle got serious with Tommy Jackson, Buddy Spicher, Dale Potter, Tommy Williams, Vassar Clements, Gordon Terry, , etc.... I hate to name names because I can't name them all, but these were some of the ones that I think established the real country fiddle style. This is the style that country fiddlers like Bobby Flores, Hank Singer, play now.... not the same as Bob Wills Texas Swing music.. but these guys can play some of that too. I won't get into the bluegrass fiddlers here, that's a whole other can of worms.
You're probably right about Old Violin. I didn't know the timing of it, if it was before or after the prison term. I think it's one of those songs that everybody says they like it, but it's never going to make anybody rich. It's not my favorite Paycheck song, but Johnny said it was his favorite.
Johnny Thomasson - You know about these things. Straighten me out here if I'm wrong, or add some info.
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Leroy Riggs
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Looney Tunes, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Nov 2009 7:11 am
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Paycheck was apparently a pretty good steeler. Does anyone know of any song(s) that he did the steeling on?
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Tommy Minniear
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Logansport, Indiana
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Posted 19 Nov 2009 7:24 pm
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Rick,
Appreciate the "fiddle info"! Colin Escott used the "garden seed" term in his book about Hank. I had never heard it before, but thought you might have.
Leroy: I would imagine that Paycheck did some steel playing on some demos or maybe even on some late night - discret recordings. I believe if he had played on any notable recording that somebody on this Forum would know about it. I have never read or heard of any. |
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