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Al Risbeck
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Posted 4 Nov 2009 5:16 pm |
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What is your best opinion for a second LKL ? Who has tried the Franklin change on that one ?
Al
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Larry Bell
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Posted 5 Nov 2009 6:23 am
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No, that wouldn't be a candidate, IMHO.
I've used a 5-lever cluster on the left knee for years and have found that a half tone pull (like G# to G -- that's what Crawford had there) works much better. F# to G would also work fine. I would put the F lever near the back apron and space the outside lever about 3" away. It helps immensely if you have tilt adjustment on your knee levers.
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John Bechtel
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Posted 5 Nov 2009 8:16 pm
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I have strings #1 & #7 (½-tone)-Raise [F# to G] on the LKL1, (Rear-Apron) and strings #4 & #8 (½-tone)-Raise [E to F] on LKL2, (Center of neck). With Emmons (A)(B)(C). The F# to G is a change that I don't use all that often. Therefore, when I do use it, I have to pull back slightly to miss the E to F KL.
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Brint Hannay
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Posted 5 Nov 2009 8:48 pm
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I have had a "Crawford Cluster" for 25 years, and I have strings 3 & 6 lowering 1/2 step to G on LKL front, with F raises on LKL rear. (Pedals are Emmons: A-B-C left-to-right.) I find the G lowers very useful; I use the two LKL's more or less equally as often.
I agree with Larry that a half-step change is better on the front lever, because the trick is to be able to press the front lever to its stop without hitting the rear lever, so shorter travel is better. |
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Mike Cass
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Posted 5 Nov 2009 9:23 pm
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If youre using Emmons setup and you already lower string 6 G# to F# on the RKL or RKR, then lowering string 5 & 10 B to A on the LKL2 makes alot of sense, since together they give you the Franklin change, but separately they give you all that cool, mid-tuning stuff that Tommy White does  You know, like when you hear him play and you think youre following along pretty well, and then, WHAM!! where did that come from?? There it is, just ask him. Tommy uses Day split so he lowers 6 a whole tone on the LKV I believe, and lowers his B's on RKL, but no matter. Splitting those 2 changes up is akin to having split pedals, as opposed to Isaccs setup. Try it I think you'll like it |
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Al Risbeck
From:
Iowa, USA
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Posted 6 Nov 2009 9:22 am Thanks
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Hey thank you everybody, some great ideas. I'll try them and see what I end up with.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 7 Nov 2009 8:01 am
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I have 2 LKL levers. One lowers my E's to D#. The other is the "Franklin" lever that pulls string 1 to G#, 2 to E and 7 to G#. It works just fine in that location.
Disclaimer: Since you didn't really specify what you meant by the Franklin change, I assumed you meant the knee lever and not the Franklin pedal, which I would leave on a floor pedal.
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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 12:53 pm
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How do you hit them individually? Is it hard to hit the F lever without hitting the other lever? Do you have to move your whole leg forward to hit the other one?
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Al Risbeck
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Iowa, USA
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 3:49 pm Lkl2
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Hello Ryan, on mine (Emmons Legrande II) I located it about three inches toward the front on the guitar fron the LKL1, with the Emmons KL you can adjust the tilt of the KL so the LKL2 dosen't travel far enough for your knee to touch LKL1, then you just slip your knee forward or back to use the one you want. I guess tha's the way most do it.
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 4:38 pm
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Ya just kinda twist you hip to get to it! Justa couple of inches.
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Al Risbeck
From:
Iowa, USA
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 5:53 pm Twist ??
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And here I've been putting WD40 on my pac a seat   
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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 7:32 pm
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That makes sense. Why is LKL the most common knee/direction to have two levers?
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John Bechtel
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Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 8:00 pm
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It's probably a matter of ‘space-available’, if you play a double-neck with a LKL on the C6-neck! On a SD-10, I might possibly make it (2)-LKR's, for a little more comfort! Of course, on a SD-10, the Crawford-Cluster would also be more practical, which puts us back to square-one!
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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 8:25 pm
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What are all the lever changes in the Crawford Cluster?
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Brint Hannay
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Maryland, USA
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 8:43 pm
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Speaking for myself, it's much easier and more comfortable to poke the knee in a little for a second lever on LKL than to pull it back for a second lever on LKR. Crawford said this, too.
(Ergonomically, the way the left leg swings means if you have only one LKL and one LKR, the LKL naturally is placed near the rear of the guitar, the LKR more toward the front. So an added lever on the left goes in front of the first one, while an added lever on the right goes behind the first one.)
Having two levers on either side of the right knee means the tricky challenge of poking the knee in or pulling it back while not affecting volume pedal technique. |
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Al Risbeck
From:
Iowa, USA
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 9:38 pm Lkl2
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Seriously there is some really great info on this subject as far as I am concerned. So many different copedents and suggestions that are helpful to anyone wanting to add a KL, again thank you and I hope there will be more.
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Larry Bell
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Englewood, Florida
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Posted 16 Nov 2009 8:22 am
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Well, I kinda have a different preference. I prefer two LKR's to two LKL's if I only have four left knee levers. I put G# to G on the outside LKL on my guitars with 5 lever clusters because I use it less often than the pulls on the LKR levers. For me, the need to move forward makes that lever more difficult.
I play E9/B6 on a 12 string and have always lowered E to D on 8 with a single lever. When used in the B6 context it is the equivalent of P6 on C6, which is one of the most used -- and combined -- functions on C6. It is on my outside LKR and is in a perfect position to combine with all 8 pedals and the right knee levers. So to go from C6 to F9 (at the first fret on a U12) I start with E's lowered for C6 then let off that lever while lowering 8 to D. The E to D# lever does not have to stay engaged as it does with the std Jeff Newman setup where Jeff essentially eliminated LKR from his B6 usage. Just my personal preference. My legs are long and reach everything fine; Jeff was, shall we say, vertically challenged. This brings up an interesting point -- all this stuff has to be customized to the player very accurately. With three levers on the left knee, positioning is not nearly as critical.
Ryan, the Crawford Cluster is a physical arrangement of levers -- two left -- two right -- one vertical. Jimmie had E to F and G# to G on the two LKL's and B to Bb on the vertical. My guitars also have those changes in those positions. For the LKR's, as I recall, he lowered 2 from D to C# on one and raised F#'s to G on the other. He had a lengthy explanation of how to use those changes in concert with the ABC pedals and it all made sense.
If you're interested, click on my website in my sig, below. In the 'Equipment' section, there are pictures and copedents for many of my current and past guitars.
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