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Allan Munro
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Posted 27 Aug 2009 8:50 am |
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As I mentioned in my 'wobulator' post I am starting to build a changer. I have more questions - no surprise huh!
I have completed some of the metal work and now need to fix the parts of the raise/lower levers(?) together. I see on various photographs on the forum that they seem to be riveted in many cases. It will be interesting to see how these parts move following this process. (I don't know much about riveting)
However, my main problem right now is getting my hands on small quantities of supplies. Does anyone have a supplier of engineering parts in the quantities that I will need? I really don't want to buy rivets, for example, in packs of 100+ or boxes of thousands when I will only need small quantities.
Any comments on the process of this kind of riveting would be most welcome also.
I hope I am not seen as using this as an engineering forum!!!
Regards, Allan.....
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Bill Ford
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Posted 27 Aug 2009 10:20 am
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Allan,
Do a search of fastener supply houses in your area, then call, and discuss your needs, take a picture of what you want and want it to do with you. You might start by calling an automotive paint supply to locate the type vendor you need.( mcmastercarr.com ) has a good supply of fasteners and metals of all shapes/sizes and you can buy a small amount of what you need. Hope this helps.
This is the engineering part of the forum of sorts.
Bill
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Darvin Willhoite
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Posted 27 Aug 2009 2:55 pm
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www.McMaster.com If they don't have it, you probably don't need it. LOL
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Darvin Willhoite
MSA Millennium, Legend, and Studio Pro, Reese's restored Universal Direction guitar, a restored MSA Classic SS, several amps, new and old, and a Kemper Powerhead that I am really liking. Also a Zum D10, a Mullen RP, and a restored Rose S10, named the "Blue Bird". Also, I have acquired and restored the plexiglass D10 MSA Classic that was built as a demo in the early '70s. I also have a '74 lacquer P/P, with wood necks, and a showroom condition Sho-Bud Super Pro. |
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Darvin Willhoite
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Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 27 Aug 2009 2:57 pm
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OOPS, I didn't read your post all the way through Bill, looks like we're thinking alike.
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Darvin Willhoite
MSA Millennium, Legend, and Studio Pro, Reese's restored Universal Direction guitar, a restored MSA Classic SS, several amps, new and old, and a Kemper Powerhead that I am really liking. Also a Zum D10, a Mullen RP, and a restored Rose S10, named the "Blue Bird". Also, I have acquired and restored the plexiglass D10 MSA Classic that was built as a demo in the early '70s. I also have a '74 lacquer P/P, with wood necks, and a showroom condition Sho-Bud Super Pro. |
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Allan Munro
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Pennsylvania, USA and Scotland
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Posted 27 Aug 2009 5:39 pm
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Well, two votes out of two! Thanks guys. I looked on that website and the range of stuff is amazing to say the least. I have solved three future questions/problems just by looking through some of the pages.
Tons to think about, thanks again.
Regards, Allan..... |
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Bobby Burns
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Posted 27 Aug 2009 5:50 pm
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| Also check the MSC web site. Between these two, you can find about anything fastener wise, and have it the next day |
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Allan Munro
From:
Pennsylvania, USA and Scotland
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Posted 28 Aug 2009 4:17 pm
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Thank you for that - there ain't not nuthin' I can't get between those two sites! Good stuff.
Regards, Allan..... |
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Paul Redmond
From:
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 2:29 am
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When it comes to various types of aluminum stock, by all means check out www.OnLineMetals.com or www.useenco.com...ENCO Inc. OnLine sells metals at a way-low price compared to ENCO, but since they're based in Washington state, shipping will be higher. However, I recently purchased a piece of aluminum angle from them, and their price was 53% of ENCO's, so I didn't mind the additional freight charges. OnLine also offers odd-length cuts in one-foot increments where ENCO doesn't.
If you're going to check out either or both of their catalogs/websites, plan on spending a few hours doing so!!!
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Bobby Burns
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 5:06 am
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| That a good one from Paul about the aluminum sources. I also get aluminum from online metals, and also try Speedy Metals, I think their page is speedymetals.com. The prices and sizes available vary from place to place, so you have to weigh shipping cost, shipping time, time you spend cutting and such, against the actual charge for the material/parts. If you get all you need on one good sized order, you will save money by not paying extra shipping. I have paid $16 to ship a $2 piece of metal before, just because I forgot to order it with everything else. |
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Martin Weenick
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 6:20 am OnLine Metals
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Paul R. On Line Metals now has a location in Michigan also. I have been buying from them for 2 years, cant beat thier prices. Martin.
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Allan Munro
From:
Pennsylvania, USA and Scotland
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 9:38 am
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I have to agree regarding onlinemetals, they are great. I have been using them for other projects before I got into the current addiction. They do sort of amuse in a twisted sort of way. They sent my last order (very small quantity) in what was, relatively, a HUGE box. It was most likely the smallest box they use and I understand the economics of using a small range of packaging types but it did make me cackle.
Thanks to all for the input, regards, Allan..... |
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richard burton
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Posted 30 Aug 2009 1:12 am
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To make sure that the two parts of the changer finger are free to rotate, you will need a rivet similar to the one that I show here.
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Allan Munro
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Pennsylvania, USA and Scotland
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Posted 30 Aug 2009 7:05 am
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Richard, you are my new hero! I was wondering about that very point. Do you (or anyone else) know if those things have a specific name?
Many thanks, Allan..... |
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Earl Foote
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Houston, Tx, USA
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Posted 30 Aug 2009 8:06 am
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| Also look at fastenal.com they have many stores in Pennsylvania. |
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Allan Munro
From:
Pennsylvania, USA and Scotland
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Posted 30 Aug 2009 10:49 am
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Woah! Earl, you are so right. There turns out to be one right here in town. I will be there in the next day or two with parts in hand looking for advice.
My problem all along has been that I am a reasonably good draftsman and (thanks to this forum) I have a good grasp of what happens when each part moves. However, I am no kind of engineer so I am very much in the dark regarding parts, materials and techniques. I would have given up long since without the input of people like you and the rest of the forum.
Many thanks, Allan..... |
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Bobby Burns
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 5:16 am
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| richard burton wrote: |
To make sure that the two parts of the changer finger are free to rotate, you will need a rivet similar to the one that I show here.
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Does anyone know a scource for this type of rivet? |
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Bent Romnes
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 6:37 am
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Those rivets are called shoulder rivets. I get them in Canada at Spaenaur Fasteners + others.
In the US you would have at least the availability what we have here.
That said, I think there might be another fastener on the horizon that works as well and is more readily available: The Chicago screw. Two oval-headed screw parts (one male, one female, that you buy in different lengths and screw together. Steel builder guru Martin Weenick uses these and says they work well.
They go together easily, whereas there is a trick to do good riveting. On the other hand I have never heard of Chicago shoulder screws. That don't mean they don't exist.
If you wish to use rivets, I would suggest that you fit the hole in the parts to the rivet and not the other way around.
Martin...your input here?
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Bent Romnes
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 6:40 am Allan...rivets
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Allan, If all you need are the rivets for a changer or 2, I have a whole bunch here and would gladly send you a sample of the different ones I have with a suggestion for use. Send me your address via forum email if you are interested.
Bent
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Martin Weenick
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 8:15 am Rivits
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Hi Bent, bout time you got home. I have used both rivits and Chicago Screws (also called Binding Screws). The Chicago screws can be bought in brass, aluminum, steel, stainless steel,even nylon. I just finished up a set of knee levers and took a picture of one of them showing a Chicago screw in the lever, also a couple alongside so he knows what they look like. I would recommend putting the "blue loctite" on the screw threads so it wont work loose. Martin.
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Bobby Burns
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 10:38 am
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Thanks guys. I have used chicago screws on leather instrument straps and stuff, but I had never thought about using them in this way.
Thanks. |
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Bill Ford
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Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 12:14 pm
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The old adage "two heads are better than one" really applies here in many multiples. I would have never thought of using Chicago screws in this application. Actually, I never knew they came in different metals.
Martin...You my man are doing some fine machine work,as are many others. Keep it coming!!!!!!
Bill
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Allan Munro
From:
Pennsylvania, USA and Scotland
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 5:03 pm Re: Allan...rivets
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| Bent Romnes wrote: |
Allan, If all you need are the rivets for a changer or 2, I have a whole bunch here and would gladly send you a sample of the different ones I have with a suggestion for use. Send me your address via forum email if you are interested.
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Bent, thank you for your most generous offer. I have been trying all that I know to avoid using rivets and I think now, with the 'Chicago Screw/Loctite' option, I will go that way.
Again, thank you for your interest, you are a credit to the forum.
Regards, Allan.....
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Bent Romnes
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Posted 10 Sep 2009 10:03 am Re: Allan...rivets
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Again, thank you for your interest, you are a credit to the forum.
Regards, Allan..... |
That's what I call a Steel Brother. Thank you Allan
Bent
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