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Topic: The Mythical "11th" lower changer finger (big n00b |
Stan Schober
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Cahokia, Illinois, USA
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Posted 26 Aug 2009 2:22 pm |
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Carter S-10's have them
Carter D-10's have them on the E9 neck, but not on the C6 neck
Likewise, so do MSA's
So...Please explain to this n00b exactly what they are, and why they are on some guitars, and not others. |
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Jon Light
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 26 Aug 2009 2:32 pm
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Stan--that is a "half stop" or "feeler stop". If, for instance, you wanted to raise the first string F#>G# but be able to also get an in-tune G along the way you would run a rod from a puller (bellcrank) on the shaft of the lever you are using for that raise to that dummy finger which is not connected to a string--it is only hooked up to a spring--and tune the nylon tuner to engage at the G note. The spring resistance will provide the "feeler" stop.
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| and why they are on some guitars, and not others |
I don't know if this is a Bud Carter thing but I'd bet that it is. Bud engineered a whole lot of the MSA steel and is the Carter of Carter. There are other ways to achieve this feeler stop and those other solutions are what is used on other guitars so that's why you don't see this design elsewhere. |
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Stan Schober
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Cahokia, Illinois, USA
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Posted 26 Aug 2009 2:41 pm
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Thanks so much, Jon, for the quick, in depth, and easy to understand response.
I was racking my brain (as the PSG can easily make me do) trying to figure that out.
I suppose some other manufacturers do the same thing, but with a different mechanism ? |
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 26 Aug 2009 3:03 pm
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whew! That's always a long shot when I get going.
Yes, there's other ways to skin this cat. In this thread are some great photos of how Sho-Bud did it and I've seen variants of this method on other guitars although I can't remember which...
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=120059 |
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Paddy Long
From:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 26 Aug 2009 3:19 pm
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The first guitar I saw this feature on was on my MCI - which of course had Bud's fingerprints all over it!
Also used for the 2nd string half-stop !
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 26 Aug 2009 3:35 pm
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That's the beauty of this---if you have three holes then you can independently tune three different half stops.
How cool is that? |
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Benton Allen
From:
Muscle Shoals, Alabama, USA
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Posted 26 Aug 2009 4:42 pm
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Stan,
This type of "Half Stop" has been around for a while, and it works great! I don't know who was first with it, but as you can see, my very early Nashville LTD has one also.
Cheers!
Benton |
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Stan Schober
From:
Cahokia, Illinois, USA
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Posted 26 Aug 2009 4:42 pm
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Thanks for the link, Jon.
Wow. There's just a goldmine waiting at the fingertips, eh? ( no pun intended)
Thanks for posting that pic, Benton.
I love looking at all the different changer mechanisms. |
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