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Topic: Can you use your vertical lever with others on the same leg? |
Greg Gefell
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Posted 26 Aug 2009 8:30 am |
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I want to add a verticle lever to my guitar and am wondering what combinations are possible. I know alot of people use a vertical with pedals down by lifting their heel. Is it reliable/comfortable to use a verticle in combination with either the LKL or LKR as well? This will influence what change I put on the vertical lever.
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Larry Bell
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Englewood, Florida
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Posted 26 Aug 2009 9:19 am
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Yes
Both LKL and LKR levers may be combined with the vertical. If you have the Winnie Winston / Jimmie Crawford book 'Pedal Steel Guitar - A Manual of Style' there are pictures of how Jimmie Crawford used all levers and combinations of the 'Crawford Cluster'.
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Mike Perlowin
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Posted 26 Aug 2009 9:33 am
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The answer is yes. You can, and I frequently do, use the vertical while using both the LKL and the LKR. However, I have custom made verticals on all 3 guitars that are very long and practically horizontal and traverse the entire left knee area. They all point toward the keyhead end of the guitars, and they are all mounted near the center of the body.
Tom Bradshaw made the verticals on my 2 older guitars. Dr. Jim Palenscar made the one on the Millennium.
I use the vertical to raise the F# strings to G (G Natural, not G#), and always use it with at least one pedals down so as to get some leverage.
Normally I tell people that there is no right or wrong when it comes to what changes to put on what knee levers, and you should just set up the guitar the way that feels most comfortable to you. But I feel that this is the exception to that. In my opinion, the F# to G change belongs on the vertical, and that the lever itself must be able to be easily engaged while using the other 2 left knee levers.
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Greg Gefell
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Upstate NY
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Posted 26 Aug 2009 11:18 am
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Thanks for the suggestions. I am most likely going to put the F# to G(on 7, G# on 1) changes on this lever. The other option I considered was a G# to F# lower on 6. Mostly I would use this in conjunction with the E lowers, hence the question about using the 2 levers together. It seems like leverage-wise I'd be better off putting the G# - F# lower over on RKL.
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Brint Hannay
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Maryland, USA
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Posted 26 Aug 2009 11:52 am
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| If you have your E lowers on LKR, no question about it. That's a primary combination with the 6th string F# lower. And the F# lower is also frequently used alone (by me, anyway!). |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 26 Aug 2009 1:46 pm
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| Greg Gefell wrote: |
| I am most likely going to put the F# to G(on 7, G# on 1) changes on this lever. |
I'd like to point out that the F# to G# change on the first string is primarily used for licks and in my opinion, many of those licks, or at least something very similar, can be accomplished with the use of the B and C pedals and the 2nd string lower, with the bar moved 2 frets up.
By contrast, the F# to G natural increases the melodic and harmonic possibilities of the instrument. I think it's a better way to go.
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Greg Gefell
From:
Upstate NY
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Posted 27 Aug 2009 5:58 am
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| If you have your E lowers on LKR, no question about it. |
Brint - are you saying its no question that its a good idea to have the G# lower on the vertical or on RKL? I do have my E lowers on LKR.
Mike - I understand the theory and logic behind having the G on string 1, however I just like the sound of being able to go from a sus 2 up to the 3rd in the no pedals position. I never seemed to use that top string when making a pedals down 7th chord. On string 7 though, I really like that G note which puts the 7 on the bottom of the chord.
Its all in what you like to use I suppose.
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Brint Hannay
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Posted 27 Aug 2009 6:16 am
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Greg, I'm sorry, that was unclear. I meant that it's good to have the E lowers and the F# lower on opposite knees. I myself have the E lowers on RKL, so I have the F# lower on LKR. Since you've got E lowers on LKR, it would be the other way around. Either way, hitting them in combination is ergonomically easy. And I also agree with having the G raise on the vertical, because of its use with pedals down. In my case, I only raise 7, because I like to keep the F# note on 1 with the dom7 chord.
Incidentally, Mike is right about getting the equivalent of the 1st string sus2 to 3rd lick by going up two frets and using the C pedal on the 4th string. Unison is on the 1st string. Root is on the 2nd string lowered 1/2 step. Fifth is on 6th string with B pedal (and high fifth on 3rd string). FWIW. It's not as easy as the 1st string raise. |
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Mike Perlowin
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