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Topic: ? Set-up for Push Pull, 1/2 Feel? |
Gary Lee Gimble
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Fredericksburg, VA.
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Posted 8 Jun 2009 8:09 am |
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From what I've been told, most push pull owners have their 2nd string, E9, whole step lower on RKR. Mine is on LKR without a half step feel. LKR also lowers string 7, 1/2 step, Can someone suggest the best method to hook up a solid 1/2 step feel for string #2, LKR?
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Peter Freiberger
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California, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2009 8:40 am
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You can get a nice feel stop by picking up the string 9 (it would probably also work with lowering 7, but most use string 9)lower at D on string 2 with a half tone tuner on the swivel and adjusting the lower return spring on 9 for how much of a feel stop you want. You may have to fool around with string guages to make it work. Works for me with a .015 on 2 and a .034 on 9.
Or run string two's lowering rod through the lowering finger without a collar to push the raise rod back. Attach the lowering return spring from string 3 (which usually isn't lowered) to pull the string 2 raise finger all the way up. The string 2 lower return spring gives you the feel stop. Both springs can be adjusted to suit. Tune the D# at the keyhead, C# with the lowering tuning allen screw and the D with the other tuning screw. The second method is more precise and easier to tune but you can't also raise the second string. |
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Bobby Boggs
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Upstate SC.
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Posted 8 Jun 2009 7:59 pm
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Gary, unless you're raising the 2nd 1/2? The 1/2 tone lower feel stop would be set-up the same. No matter what knee you were using. Emmons has done
it this way for as long as I can remember.It should still be timmed with your 9th string lower. And this will most likely allow you to run less pressure on the the 2nd string return spring.And of course the top spring must be tight enough to hold the 2nd string firm against the pull stop. You will tune the 1/2 stop on the bottom row of the changer.And the whole tone lower on the top row as is standard. Maybe the picture will explain it. You may want to zoom in..bb
Maybe this picture is better.
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 9 Jun 2009 12:22 am
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| If you tune the changer to C#-D-D# as these guys suggest, I think you'll have better results if you don't push to go from D# to D. Instead, just release the tension on the spring that pulls the raise finger up to D#. Then after you reach D, you can start pushing down to C#. This way the two changes are independent, and you can even have a "dead zone" in the middle where the string stays right on D even tho the knee lever moves a little. |
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Tony Glassman
From:
The Great Northwest
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Posted 9 Jun 2009 7:10 am
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Bobby Bogg's method is perfect (if you're not interested in raising the 2nd string to E).
The D#-->D resistance is provided by the spring holding the raise finger against the body, whose tension increases when the knee lever is applied.
The D-->C# feel resistance is supplied by the lower return spring, which develops increasing tension only from D-->D#
I set my raise spring (D#-->D) at a light tension and the lower return spring (D-->C#) somewhat stiffer. The cumulative effect and disproportionate tensions of both springs, provide a rock solid feel at the D note........Plus all 3 notes are tunable.
D#: by tuning key
D: by raise screw
C#: by lower screw |
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Doug Palmer
From:
Greensboro, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 11 Jun 2009 8:40 am half tone
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Gary, I sell 1/2 tone tuners for push pulls. It works like the LeGrande, only with 1/8" rods. Let me know if you want one.
Doug
336-674-8200
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 11 Jun 2009 11:11 am
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I found a previous discussion of this on the Forum:
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=118191
There Richard Burton has contributed some of his pithy sketches that clearly illustrate the difference between:
1. the Bobby Boggs method (Richard's post of 30 Sep 2007 11:20 pm)
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2. the pull-release method (Richard's post of 3 Oct 2007 10:17 pm)
In between those I posted some photos of mine, but you can see the concept much more clearly in Richard's sketches.
My stops are on RKL, which pulls 4 strings:
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no-lever half-lever full-lever
2 D# -D --C#
7 F# -F --E
9 D D -C#
12 E E ++F#
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The pull-release method allows me to tune the half stops of 2 and 7 independently of each other. |
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Gary Lee Gimble
From:
Fredericksburg, VA.
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Posted 11 Jun 2009 12:18 pm
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| Thanks for your input guys! I should have mentioned that I do indeed, raise string #2 1/2 step. Fellow Forumite and push pull guru Paul Vendemmia, has agreed to work in his busy schedule, a solution for my 1/2 step feel. He is currently building a lacquer finish body for a Zum he acquired a few months back. After selecting a gorgeous piece of aged wood, his spare time has been non-existent, at least for my request. Anyway, I will post a PIC of my 1/2 step doohicky once he has installed it. |
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Charles Curtis
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Posted 11 Jun 2009 1:04 pm
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| Gary, if you ever play at that place near the courthouse in Rockville, please let me know. I'll come by and cheer you on. |
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