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Topic: Tough Sunday morning of Praise and Worship |
Jack Mattison
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Posted 24 May 2009 11:58 am |
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So..... On an earlier post. I ask for help on some chord progression, and got the help. I had said I wouldn't get a play list untill sunday morning, so didn't really know what I was going to be up against with only my two yrs of playing. This is the kind of stuff they wanted to do: "Great Big God" Am7,D7,F,F#dim,Eaug,E,and D. For most of the 6 songs we did they all had "off" chords that I wasn't sure how to get. I laid out on some stuff, only putting in some fills and chimms where the major chords were. They said it sounded great. As for Me....  They want me to set up every Sunday. Can you beat that!!!! They only rehearse every third Monday night, and then the play list for the Sunday may not be what we rehearsed. I don't even get a play list untill Saturday by e-mail. I am really going to need a good Chord Dic. and something to tell me how to grabe them [pedals/Knees] Maybe I am trying to fit in too soon?????? Jack<><
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Calvin Walley
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Posted 24 May 2009 12:25 pm
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Jack
get your hands on Jeff Newmans E9th chord dicitonary
it has all you will need.
on page 32 it starts giving chord progressions
this book has helped me a lot
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Edward Meisse
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Santa Rosa, California, USA
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Posted 24 May 2009 12:46 pm
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I don't play E9. But if the Jeff Newman stuff I have for C6 is any indication, you'll get alot out of anything in his catalogue. As far as teaching goes, Jeff is the Jerry Byrd of pedal steel. Don't quit. The bandstand or a reasonable facsimile thereof is one of the most important places to be for a developing player.
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Rick Campbell
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Sneedville, TN, USA
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Posted 24 May 2009 1:10 pm
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| I'm not really one to be giving steel guitar advice, but you don't have to always play a chord, like the rhythm players do. It's okay, and sometimes preferred, to play a single string lead note to follow the rhythm. Maybe two strings, if you can find them. Don't play the same lead line as the singer, or lead instrument, is playing. I do know that much. You want to compliment them, not fight with them for the lead lines. |
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Chuck Hall
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Warner Robins, Ga, USA
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Posted 24 May 2009 1:18 pm
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A big help to was a chart Rick has at http://www.steppingstonemusic.com/WhatsNew.html
There is also a steeler giving one away via email.
Hope this helps.
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Chris Buchanan
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Macomb, IL
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Posted 24 May 2009 2:49 pm
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Jack, this sounds like the perfect situation. You won't believe how much you'll improve. Don't let this opportunity go!
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Tony Dingus
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Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 24 May 2009 3:45 pm
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And to add one thing to Rick's post, "less is more". Listen to Sonny Garrish.
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Darvin Willhoite
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Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 24 May 2009 6:02 pm
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I play in a contemporary Praise & Worship band also, and we seem to never play a song with less than 6 or 8 different chords. I didn't think too much about it when I played steel all the time, but the last few months, I have been playing guitar a lot, and I'm having to work really hard to get comfortable playing guitar again. I hadn't played guitar much for the last several years.
When I play steel, I do a lot of single string stuff, and I also use a ProCo Rat distortion and play single string pads on the lower strings, which would be similar to a string section, or a Cello. We do very little Country flavored stuff, mostly rock, and pop style stuff, so I do what is necessary to fit the style of the song.
We usually get the set list on Tuesday and rehearse every Thursday night. We learn about two new songs a month, sometimes in the same week.
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Jack Mattison
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North Bend, Wa
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Posted 25 May 2009 9:00 am chord progrssion
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Thanks for all the replys........ Good Stuff, and great advise. Since the keys for the praise and worship songs are not in the music I have been used to doing, [country] I did just stick to a few pads, fills, and some single note picking which was suggested by one of you. Also I did keep it simple as one also said. Jeff Newman points out the same thing in his Up From The Top lessons which I have been using. It is fun, and I know I will progress and learn alot more by playing with a group. I just have to work out finding the "off" chords so I don't hit the "Clunkers". Thanks again guys for your help. Have a blessed day. Jack<><
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L. A. Wunder
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Lombard, Illinois, USA
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Posted 25 May 2009 10:10 pm
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| Most people who think church music is easy, have probably played very little of it. Have you come across any where the chord changes on almost every note yet? I've had to play many of those, and they were just congregational hymns! Sometimes the chords aren't near each other on the fretboard, or you almost have to be a contortionist to play the successive pedal combinations. You can get a mental and physical workout doing this stuff, but you can really learn a lot, too. |
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Darvin Willhoite
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Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 26 May 2009 7:57 am
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You are right on L.A. We do a lot of music from Israel and New Breed, and he likes to put in three or four chords where there would normally be only one. It sure gives you a workout, whether playing guitar or steel.
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MSA Millennium, Legend, and Studio Pro, Reese's restored Universal Direction guitar, a restored MSA Classic SS, several amps, new and old, and a Kemper Powerhead that I am really liking. Also a Zum D10, a Mullen RP, and a restored Rose S10, named the "Blue Bird". Also, I have acquired and restored the plexiglass D10 MSA Classic that was built as a demo in the early '70s. I also have a '74 lacquer P/P, with wood necks, and a showroom condition Sho-Bud Super Pro. |
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Bill Ford
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Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 26 May 2009 8:25 am
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Harmonics are a great filler. I've been in our P&W group for about three years now and just beginning to get comfortable with the contemporary style. As you stated, the old hymns,(Amazing Grace,etc) are my "cup of tea".
Hang in there, you'll get it,just takes time....Buddy Emmons E9 Chord Vocabulary is a good , where is it, and how do I do it package.
Bill
http://pedalsteelmusic.com/instruction/buddyemmons.html
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Gerald Menke
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Stormville NY, USA
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Posted 28 May 2009 6:46 am
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I also have the privilege of playing in a church band, it's my favorite gig, both challenging and inspiring. Best of all, my wife and daughter come with me, and I don't have to push my handtruck full of gear through a bunch of drunks to load out.
We play lots of contemporary Christian music, like Jill Phillips, Mindy Smith and Thad Cockrell and usually open the service with a piece by Frisell, or Stuart Townsend or John Cowherd. Usually close the service with a jazz tune by Monk, Corea or Jarrett.
The music can be quite challenging, as another picker pointed out some of the 18th century hymns have gorgeous voice leading and change chords on every quarter note. Our MD, the guitarist Steve Elliot, reharmonizes some of them in the most beautiful way, really keeps me on my toes as you just can't look down at the steel and play chords changing that fast, you learn to play in tune without looking down, I'll tell you that.
What a gig! |
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Don Drummer
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 30 May 2009 12:14 pm C ing is believing
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| Jack, the first 5 chords all include the C note. Hope this helps. Don D. |
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George Kovolenko
From:
Estero, Florida, USA
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Posted 30 May 2009 12:52 pm
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If your looking for chords, try this....
http://lapsteelguitar.com/chord_mapper.asp
It's an interactive chord mapper. I play C6 lap steel and so far it's been a real handy reference for me...
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 3 Jun 2009 6:45 am
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| L. A. Wunder wrote: |
| Most people who think church music is easy, have probably played very little of it. Have you come across any where the chord changes on almost every note yet? I've had to play many of those, and they were just congregational hymns! Sometimes the chords aren't near each other on the fretboard, or you almost have to be a contortionist to play the successive pedal combinations. You can get a mental and physical workout doing this stuff, but you can really learn a lot, too. |
I have a Lutheran Hymnal. Many of the songs are 4 voices - 2 on treble clef, 2 on bass clef. They are hard enough to give me a mental workout on the Hammond. I'm hesitant to even try them on steel.
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