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Michael Philbin
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New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 24 Apr 2009 5:00 pm |
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| I'm just getting back into the steel after 20 years away from it. I have a mid-70's Emmons S-10 (6 floor and 2 knee)and I really need to change that set-up. I can figure out all the mechanical goings-on EXCEPT how the heck do I get the crossbars out to put on or take off the bell cranks??. The play in the crossbars seems to indicate some kind of spring mechanism, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to take them out. Thanks in advance. |
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Joseph Barcus
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Volga West Virginia
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Posted 25 Apr 2009 7:18 am
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you might be going down a road youre be sorry for later. you may have a push/pull you didnt say for sure if you do ( you do not want to take it apart) if you dont understand what makes it work. plenty of experenced people out there will and can do it for you and not break you. Bobbie Seymour, Bobby Bowman are a few I know of that are pros at that.
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Bill Ford
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Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 25 Apr 2009 7:33 am
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Michael,
On the changer end, does it have a cutout, or a series of holes? If it has a series of holes, it is a push pull and not for the inexperienced to change the setup.Check the link below, if your guitar looks like this, it is a push pull,Take Joseph's advise because they are a different breed altogether.
http://www.steelguitar.com/steelmap/maptop/ppchangr.htm
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2009 8:10 am
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On a push/pull, yes, there is a short piece of spring on the end of the cross shaft.
It is on the end away from the pedal pull rods.
There is a block on that end held in place with two screws. If you remove the screws, the block will come loose.
The trick is to get the cross shaft loose with all the pull and push rods in place.
Sometimes you can get the cross shaft twisted around enough so you can add or remove bellcranks and sometimes you can't!  |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2009 12:21 pm
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| 6 and 2? C6th guitar??, like one of my Shobuds? |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 25 Apr 2009 2:18 pm
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i had one just like it. unscrew the bracket from the side and don't lose the little spring in the hole.
many came with 6+2..changed mine to 4+4 easily. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2009 2:23 pm
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| Chris, what I was thinkin' was that if is a C6th guitar, and Michael wants to play E9th, he might do very well in a trade. I don't think there are that many S-10 C6th guitars out there. Somebody might really wanna get one. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 25 Apr 2009 2:28 pm
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| parts is parts.....all you have to do is change your copedant around either way. |
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Michael Philbin
From:
New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2009 4:02 pm
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Hey Guys-
Thanks so much for the advice!
To supply more info, it is an E9 neck and definately a push/pull system (why there are 6 floor
pedals on an E9 is one of the great mysteries of life- but, in truth, I did buy it used and it well may have been a C6 that someone had changed over).
While Chris' encouragement is heartening, I may error on the side of caution and heed the advice of you steelers who think it may be a can of worms. It would certainly be prudent to seek out an experienced Emmons owner somewhere here in New England to help me with the mechanical end of it.
I painfully remember one time needing a new fuel pump on my car and saying "Hell, I can do that myself. That's a piece of cake!"
I don't want to talk about it......
Mike
p.s. I think it's great you guys have such a supportive community for the pedal steel. I'm proud to be part of it. Thanks again. |
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Joseph Barcus
From:
Volga West Virginia
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Eric Philippsen
From:
Central Florida USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2009 4:26 pm
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I, too, have a '74 Emmons S-10 p/p that is 6+2. I got it about six months ago and have been thinking about what I'll change it to. Probably a 3+4 or even a 4+4. Maybe even go with a S-10 C6th neck.
But what I really wonder when I look at it is why were 6+2's were made in a time when 3+4 was so commonplace. At most, I'd expect to see more knee levers added rather than pedals. Does anyone have any info, thoughts or experience with these odd 6+2 animals? Just curious. Thanks. |
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Brendan Mitchell
From:
Melbourne Australia
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Posted 25 Apr 2009 5:34 pm
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| I think the early S10 came with 6 pedals and 2 knees from the factory or maybe only the 6 pedals and the knees added later . Anyway there seems to be a few of them around , I am sure the P/P gurus would know more about this . |
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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Robert Cates
From:
Maine, USA
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Posted 26 Apr 2009 3:59 am s-10 6+2
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Mike
I have to echo what Joe said. Dana Flood in Bangor is an excellant man on push pulls. He worked at Emmons for awhile and is extremely knowlegeable on those.
I bought a s-10 push pull 6+2 and had him go over it and now she is a little honey. I know that everyone has their issues with push pulls(slack so that the lowers work OK) but I have got to say. He can set your guitar up perfectly and this push pull of mine plays just as good as my Derby. I don't notice any slack anywhere and pedals and knees work just as good as my all pull. Getting a good man to set up your guitar is priceless.
Best to you
Bob
PS I am not sure is Joe gave you the right address.
Its allsteelguitar.com |
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Joseph Barcus
From:
Volga West Virginia
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Posted 26 Apr 2009 5:33 am
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robert
I only knew of his music store site but I will save the one you posted. I bought my emmons from him and drove up to pick it up, had a double neck push pull I took with me he set that thing up and like you said it played better then ever before.
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Robert Cates
From:
Maine, USA
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Posted 26 Apr 2009 12:45 pm same place maybe
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yes Joe
I think maybe he could have found him going thru the Northern Kingdom Music website but I think that allsteelguitar .com is more direct. You traveled from Virginia to Maine to pick up your guitar. I hope that you were on vacation. Thats like driving to the end of the world. I am close to the drop off here. I can see it from here.
He speaks highly of Tommy Cass also.
All the best
Bob |
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Michael Philbin
From:
New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 26 Apr 2009 12:56 pm
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I want to thank all you gentlemen once again for your generous sharing of this information and these
great contacts. It's nice to have the voice of experience when undertaking a project like this. It's a huge help! |
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 16 May 2009 8:56 am
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| Doug Beaumier wrote: |
I've seen early S-10 p/p E9 with 6 pedals only, and with 6 & 2.
Contact Tommy Cass in Baldwinville, Mass. He's knows push/pulls inside out. He's the best around. |
Absolutely a second on this one Tommy is da man!
Any steel he can make smooth as silk,
but for PP's he's a true master.
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