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Karen Sarkisian
From:
Boston, MA, USA
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Posted 12 May 2009 3:14 pm |
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| i am finding it very difficult to hold the b-pedal down in preparation for rolling into the a-pedal without engaging the E (LKR) lever. any suggestions sure would help ! |
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Calvin Walley
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colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 12 May 2009 3:24 pm
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most of us adjust the "B" pedal a little lower than the other pedals
that might help, you can also adjust the knee lever so that its not so close to your knee
and by lowering the "B" pedal it gives your foot a reference point
i think most of us had trouble with this movement but in time it will get more natural to you
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Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
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Andy Hinton
From:
Louisiana, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 12 May 2009 3:34 pm left knee problem
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| Karren; sounds to me like you could have Ankles more suited to the Jimmie Day set up. I have & know of several others that just can't work the Emmons set up. I would suggest that if you can locate a Day setup that you try it before changing your steel over. It doesn't take long to get used to if it works. Most modern steels can be converted in a couple of hrs. without any new parts. Good luck. Andy H. |
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Wayne D. Clark
From:
Montello Wisconsin, USA
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Posted 12 May 2009 4:06 pm
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What Andy Said. The Day set up should solve the problem.
DESERT ROSE S10 3/5
GOODRICH PEDAL
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Ron !
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Posted 12 May 2009 4:31 pm
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Yes that could be it but......can I ask you something Karen.What kind of shoes do you wear when you play?
Boots make it pretty hard to play.I use loafers to play in.They are very good.....for me that is.
But you might want to change your shoes if you have problems.If that does not help you can start thinking about the Day set-up.
Regards,
Ron |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 12 May 2009 4:44 pm
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for the 1st 2 years i could not play in anything but my socks or a very thin sole shoe ( i even tried moccasins ) my teacher hounded me to play in my cowboy boots till i got used to it , so once i forced myself to only wear boots it took a lot less time than i thought it would but now i can play in whatever i stick my foot in and now i dont have to worry about what shoe's i'm wearing
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 12 May 2009 4:45 pm
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The Day set up should solve the problem.
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But that would just trade one problem for another. |
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Bill Dobkins
From:
Rolla Missouri, USA
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Posted 12 May 2009 4:51 pm
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Karen, depending on what steel you have,You can cut the inside corner (about a 1/4 inch) off your pedals.
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 13 May 2009 2:13 am
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We all had to learn how to pedal without hitting the knee levers. Just part of it. Also, could be the knee lever is not in the correct position and either needs to be moved or if it has an adjustment, maybe just adjusting the lever will take care of it. The knee levers on my Franklin are adjustable.
Shoes are not the issue or should not be. Ultimately you should be able to play in any kind of shoe. |
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David Nugent
From:
Gum Spring, Va.
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Posted 13 May 2009 2:32 am problem
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| You may be sitting too far to the left. Try shifting your seating position a few inches to the right and see if that helps. Your right hand should be positioned somewhere in proximity to the 14th fret. |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 13 May 2009 5:34 am
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i think Dave mispoke ,
your belly button should be at the 14th fret not your right hand, your right hand should be near the pick up
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Matthew Prouty
From:
Warsaw, Poland
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Posted 13 May 2009 5:53 am
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| Earnest Bovine wrote: |
| Wayne D. Clark wrote: |
The Day set up should solve the problem.
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But that would just trade one problem for another. |
It would only transfer the problem if Karen suffers from as limited supination as she does pronation or more so limited articulation during pronation.
m.
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 13 May 2009 6:12 am
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It would only transfer the problem if Karen suffers from as limited supination as she does promination or more so limited articulation during promination.
m.[/quote]
translation please, sounds like you swallowed a dictionary
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Matthew Prouty
From:
Warsaw, Poland
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Posted 13 May 2009 6:53 am
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In biomechanics pronate means to turn in from the little toe to the big toe. This would be the movement from B to A in the Day setup. Supinate means to turn from the big toe to little toe as in the Emmons' B to A movement.
Some people are over-pronator and thus have a foot that is very flat. An over-supinator would have an exaggerated arch. We all fall somewhere in between and thus one mechanical setup might not match another's biomechanics.
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 13 May 2009 7:38 am
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Before you cut your pedals up or change to Day set up, how about adjusting you knee lever to suit your movements more, and doing some ankle EXCERSISES to gain the mobility you need?
Calvin is right, just grab it and learn in the boots or shoes you want to always wear when you play, anyways.
Changeing to Day setup might solve one problem, but introduce other problems Emmons setup cures. In otherwords, your just chasing your tail, maybe so??
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 13 May 2009 7:40 am
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| I think it would be to your advantage to try the "Day" setup. For one thing, raising the inside of the foot is a more natural action than raising the outside of the foot. And for another thing, the "Day" setup puts the (most used) A&B pedals closer to the center of the guitar, and that usually gives increased comfort, as well as ease of operating the left levers. |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 13 May 2009 7:50 am
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i have never played the Day set up so correct me if i'm wrong
but using the day set up you still have to use the
C B combination ( just not as often ) so you would still have to master the same move ...or am i wrong ?
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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J. Michael Robbins
From:
Dayton, OH now in Hickory, NC
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Posted 13 May 2009 8:18 am
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| Jack Stoner wrote: |
We all had to learn how to pedal without hitting the knee levers. Just part of it. Also, could be the knee lever is not in the correct position and either needs to be moved or if it has an adjustment, maybe just adjusting the lever will take care of it. The knee levers on my Franklin are adjustable.
Shoes are not the issue or should not be. Ultimately you should be able to play in any kind of shoe. |
Jack,
I agree with you and the others who have suggested adjusting the knee lever. My Marlen has two adjustments on the knee levers; one where they attach to the cross rods and one at the joint below this. My E Lever (LKR) is angled over to the right and I have no problems.
Mike
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Karen Sarkisian
From:
Boston, MA, USA
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Posted 13 May 2009 9:11 am
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yikes thats a lot of responses.i do have a problem with my feet. i will check out the day set-up and also try insoles for my shoes. i do find that some shoes are easier to play in. my dr. maartens dont work...too wide in the toe.
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 13 May 2009 9:16 am
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| James Morehead wrote: |
Before you cut your pedals up or change to Day set up, how about adjusting you knee lever to suit your movements more, and doing some ankle EXCERSISES to gain the mobility you need?
Calvin is right, just grab it and learn in the boots or shoes you want to always wear when you play, anyways.
Changeing to Day setup might solve one problem, but introduce other problems Emmons setup cures. In otherwords, your just chasing your tail, maybe so?? |
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Tony Glassman
From:
The Great Northwest
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Posted 13 May 2009 11:31 am
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Like James says:
An easy Knee Lever adjustment is probably all that is needed. Most steels have a way of adjusting the resting position of the levers. Angling the LKR towards the left (keyhead) may make it easier to keep it engaged while pressing both the B + A pedals together. The LKR on my guitars are adjusted so that I can engage the lever plus the A pedal alone, leaving the B pedal untouched.
What brand/model of PSG do you have? .......... Post a photo of the LKR bracket if you can.
Also to operate either pedals A & B you will have to both pronate (lifting the outside edge of the foot upwards) and supinate (lifting the inside or medial edge of the foot) regardless of Day or Emmons set-up ...... In the Emmons configuration you pronate to press pedal B by itself and supinate to "mash" pedal A alone. With the Day set-up the foot motion is reversed. There's no clear cut advantage to either pedaal arrangement.
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Bill Moore
From:
Manchester, Michigan
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Posted 13 May 2009 11:54 am
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Locate the heel of the left foot in line with the 3rd pedal. The foot will then be at an angle as it rests on the A+B pedals. Move your sitting position to the right, so the right knee is at 90 degrees to the guitar, between the right knee levers. You will find that the left knee will have less side to side movement as you alternate between the A+B pedals. It becomes less of an ankle-twisting movement sitting like this. Good luck.
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Johan Jansen
From:
Europe
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Posted 13 May 2009 11:55 am
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Switch LKR with RKL. Life will be less efficient, but much more easier in ergonomic point of view.
Johan |
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David Nugent
From:
Gum Spring, Va.
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Posted 13 May 2009 2:03 pm KL problem
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| Calvin...Thank you for correcting my error. You are absolutely correct, that was what I had intended to write but being as how my response was typed at 5:30 A.M., I was not quite with it as yet. |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 13 May 2009 3:12 pm
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David
just glade it didn't upset you
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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