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Topic: Pedal/Lever Changes you have or would like to have |
Dale Rottacker
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Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2014 8:52 am |
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I've been thinking of going back to a S-10 or maybe 12 E9th tuning and save my back a little grief, but would like to add some changes that I don't currently have...This is what I have now...
LKL Raises E's
LKR Lowers E's
LKV I've lowered the 5th & 10th, or the 6th to F# or the 7th to E at different times of course
RKL Raises the 1st & 2nd, and the 7th string
RKR Lowers the 2nd and the 9th String
So I guess this is a fairly typical 3x5 pedal arrangement...If you were to add a 4th or 5th floor pedal, and perhaps 1 to 3 more knee lever's, what would they be and why?
I'm hoping all my "Theory" friends will chime in here, because I'm sure I haven't thought this all out in a logical way, so I could really use your guidenss!!!
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*2021 Rittenberry, "The Concord" D10 9x9
*1977 Blue Sho-Bud Pro 3 Custom 8x6
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Jason Lynch
From:
Essex, United Kingdom
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Posted 19 Jan 2014 9:27 am
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| I have 4 pedals. A zero position pedal that lowers 3 and 6 a semitone. Gives you a minor in an open position, plus ABC. I'm thinking of changing that for a split Franklin change, i.e, lower 5 and 10 a tone, as I currently lower 6 with my verticle knee lever, along with raising 1 and 2. |
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Dickie Whitley
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Posted 19 Jan 2014 10:07 am
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Here are some different things I have looked at over the years. The "K" means Knee, the "P" is pedal, although I've seen them on others in either pedal or knee, so that more reference than anything else.
A little explanation on a couple of things, the first pedal was a split PF with the F# being pulled in on a knee, also the four pull C pedal with the B pressed together would give you a full four grip minor at the 2 below position. Probably would be stiff, but again, food for thought. Hope this helps. |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 19 Jan 2014 11:15 am
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I also have a zero pedal that lowers my G# strings to G natural.
Sometimes I feel I'd like that pedal to raise the strings to Bb instead. I'd love a change lock devise like some U-12s have, that changed the function of that pedal. I doubt though that such a devise is possible.
I wouldn't mind having a second LKL that raises the 4th and 8th strings to F#.
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Dale Rottacker
From:
Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Posted 23 Jan 2014 11:41 am
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So many things to consider...Thank-you all for your insight and suggestions...
Dickey, I really like your chart...
I guess some of the changes I'd like are the Franklin Pedal, because I've never had one but would like to see what all the fuss is about...I'd like to keep lowering 5 and 10, but would also like to lower the 7th down to E, I can do that on my Mullen, but I must be doing something wrong on the Pro lll cause I can't seem to get it all the way there without effecting the open tuning...I'd like to lower the 6th and maybe the 3rd as well...I'd like to continue to raise the 7th, but not sure about putting it with the 9th string lower, because I think I've gotten used to lowering the 9th without it so I'm not sure if there would be a conflict...I guess it's all about compromise...but I can I incorporate all of it? Can I configure it to have it all?... 
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*2021 MSA Legend, "Jolly Rancher" D10 10x9
*2021 Rittenberry, "The Concord" D10 9x9
*1977 Blue Sho-Bud Pro 3 Custom 8x6
https://msapedalsteels.com
http://rittenberrysteelguitars.com
https://www.telonics.com/index.php
https://www.p2pamps.com
https://www.quilterlabs.com |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 23 Jan 2014 2:48 pm
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| B string to D on RkR2. No D string, but a low E string/ |
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 23 Jan 2014 5:00 pm
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| I agree with Mike, I would like to have a knee that raised string 4 & 8 to F#. |
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Peter Nylund
From:
Finland
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Posted 24 Jan 2014 6:42 am
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Here is my take. I still miss a few changes that I'd like to test.
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Dale Rottacker
From:
Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Georg Sørtun
From:
Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 24 Jan 2014 5:32 pm
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All my PSGs have 3d string G# lower to F# along with lower of 6th string, with split for G. That's a change I won't do without.
I also like to have E to F# raise for string 4 and 8 on a lever on all my PSGs, but only one has that change so far. |
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Dave Hepworth
From:
West Yorkshire, UK
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Posted 25 Jan 2014 4:53 am
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Hi ,
I have a vertical l knee lever on my GFI Sd 10.At the moment I pull my 5th string B up 3 semitones to D .With this you get a dominant 7th on open positions.
With pedals AB (Emmons Set up) and this lever you get a lovely smooth sus4 voice without having to move the bar up to the next position.
You can also substitute this instead of hitting your half tone lowered 2nd string on slowish scalar runs resulting in a smoother sound .i am sure there must be other ideas you can use for this pull.
Dave |
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Charles Kurck
From:
Living in Arkansas but Heaven is home
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Posted 27 Jan 2014 6:46 am
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Here’s my upcoming E9th 4+6 copedent.
The changes are the same as my current 5+5 copedent but arranged better.
The chord chart below shows chords in the open or 12th fret position.
Like Dave Hepworth I have the Pete Drake 5th string B to D change on LKV.
I had a C pedal for 27 years and then for the past 16 years the 4th string E to F# change has been on RKR.
I use this lever way more than I did the C pedal.
Note the 5th string is pulled to C not C#.
I use the C note to make an E+ chord.
When playing in the pedals down position, the C note is canceled out and,
it is like holding down the A pedal while pumping the C pedal.
Pedal 4 with LKL gives a Bma7 chord.
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Jerry Williford
From:
Fayetteville, NC USA
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Posted 30 Sep 2019 7:03 am Copedent
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Thank you very kindly Charles, this is very interesting. I will study it thoroughly.
Takes care and be well.
Jerry |
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ajm
From:
Los Angeles
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Posted 30 Sep 2019 7:17 am
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This topic was originally discussed in.......2014.
I wonder if the original posters are still using their copedants. |
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