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basilh


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Post  Posted 12 Apr 2009 2:40 pm    
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Would this be right for the opening lick using the A6th tuning ?

You just pick ONCE.. and SLIGHTLY delay the 13 to 12 gliss.

Full Song

BTW the steel player on this record is playing C6th (The HIGH A9/Em chord gives it away) ..for the guys who want to play it in C6th, take the tab down 3 frets and up one string.
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Ricky Davis


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Post  Posted 13 Apr 2009 2:56 pm    
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Would this be right for the opening lick using the A6th tuning ?

Looks perfect to me.
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basilh


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Post  Posted 13 Apr 2009 4:42 pm    
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Thanks Ricky. Nice Blue Guitar !!
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Garry Vanderlinde


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Post  Posted 19 Apr 2009 1:47 pm    
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Almost the same lick on the opening of Webb Pierce's 1953 hit "There Stands the Glass". I'm pretty sure it's Buddy Charleton on this one and Curly Chalker on "Always Late".

http://users.interlinks.net/rebel/steel/glass.mp3

C6th:

1.e _____________________"There Stands The Glass..."
2.C _8-9-10_______-16-15_
3.A _8-9-10_______-16-15_
4.G _8-9-10_______-16-15_
5.E _8-9-10_______-16-15_
6.C _____________________
7.A _____________________
8.F ______________________
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Thomas Marsden


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Post  Posted 22 Apr 2009 2:52 am    
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Right on the money Basil. I'm amazed that one small lick still gets people going almost 50 years later. Just goes to show, the simple things are often the best.
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Mike Neer


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Post  Posted 22 Apr 2009 8:01 pm    
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A very similar intro was used by Joaquin Murphey a few years earlier with Tex Williams, although in a different key:

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Ben Rubright

 

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Post  Posted 23 Apr 2009 4:01 am    
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I can't believe that Buddy Charleton played on Webb Pierce's 'There Stands the Glass' in 1953. He would have been 15 years old. Not impossible but...........
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Garry Vanderlinde


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Post  Posted 27 Apr 2009 6:36 pm    
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Ben Rubright wrote:
I can't believe that Buddy Charleton played on Webb Pierce's 'There Stands the Glass' in 1953. He would have been 15 years old. Not impossible but...........


Howdy Ben, I think you might be right that it wasn't Buddy Charleton on Webb Pierce's "There Stands the Glass".

I re-checked the CD I have and the musicians list does not include Buddy Charleton. The only steel player name I recognize is Bud Issacs. Here is the list:
Full title: King Of The Honky-Tonk: From The Original Decca Masters, 1952-1959. Personnel includes: Webb Pierce (vocals, guitar); Mel Tillis (guitar, background vocals); Bud Isaacs (pedal steel guitar); Morris Palmer (drums); The Wilburn Brothers, The Jordanaires, Don Winters (background vocals); Owen Bradley, Harold Bradley, Hank Garland, Ray Edenton, Buddy Harman. Recorded between August 13, 1951 and May 15, 1959.

Can anyone else research the original recording and find out for sure who the steel player was?
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Ben Rubright

 

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Post  Posted 30 Apr 2009 12:02 pm    
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Hey Garry:

Certainly one name missing from your list of "Webb Pierce" musicians of that era is Sonny Burnett who played a Bigsby formerly owned by Johnny Sibert and now owned by Bobbe Seymour.
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Post  Posted 2 May 2009 3:02 pm    
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Eureka! I found a website that lists the sessions and who played on them. I don’t know how accurate the info is but here is the link:

http://countrydiscography.blogspot.com/2009/03/webb-pierce.html

Unfortunately, the steel players name is the only one missing on the session that “There Stands the Glass” was recorded.

25 March 1953 [14:20-17:20] Castle Studio At the Tulane Hotel, 206 8th Ave. North, Nashville 3, TN – Webb Pierce (Grady Martin [gt], Chet Atkins [gt], Ray Edenton [rhy gt], ? [steel], Ernie Newton [bass], Farris Coursey [drums], Owen Bradley [piano], Dale Potter [fiddle], Tommy Jackson Jr [fiddle], poss Jack Kay [fiddle])
064 84253/NA 3021 IT'S BEEN SO LONG 9-28725 ED 2145/DL 5536
065 84254/NA 3022 DON'T THROW YOUR LIFE AWAY 9-28725 ED 2144/DL 5536
066 84255/NA 3023 TOO LATE TO WORRY NOW DL 8728
067 84256/NA 3024 THERE STANDS THE GLASS 9-28834 ED 2144/DL 5536

On the session before “There Stands The Glass” dated three months earlier, 30 January 1953 Bob Moore was listed on steel.
On the session after dated 7 May 1953 Don Davis is listed on steel but none of the tracks were released.
And then on 30 July 1953 Bob Moore is back on steel.
So I'm thinking it might be either Bob Moore or Don Davis playing on "There Stands the Glass".

It’s interesting to note that Bob Moore cut “Slowly” with Webb Pierce 30 July 1953 on non-pedal but it was never released. On the next recording session four months later, 29 November 1953 – Bud Isaacs is on steel for the famous pedal version of “SLOWLY”. Then Bud Isaacs was only on one more session, 23 February 1954.

Then on 2 April 1954 Sonny Burnette is listed on steel on almost every session thru 1958 when the track info gets pretty thin.

There's no mention of Buddy Charleton. Embarassed
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