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Ken Metcalf
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San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2009 10:47 am |
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They sell telecaster pickups that say one is wound in reverse so to have a humbucking effect in the middle setting.
can I swap or reverse a wire on one of my Telecaster pickups or must I buy a set or one reversed polarity
pickup..??? is this a bad idea???
Thanks
Ken
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Jack Stoner
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Posted 23 Apr 2009 11:47 am
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That MAY work. Try it and see.
I have a Nashville Tele and it has a 3rd Strat pick up in it and a 5 position switch. I get an out of phase like the Strats with the middle and bridge pickup (or the front and middle pickups) but it's not quite as pronounced as a Strat. |
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John Gould
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Houston, TX Now in Cleveland TX
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Posted 23 Apr 2009 2:08 pm
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You normally would not want a reverse would pickup on a guitar with only 2 pickups. It's used on strat type guitars in the middle position to get that out of phase thing between pickups and also to create some noise cancellation when using two pickups together.
Maybe if you had a reverse wound 4 conductor pickup on a Telecaster that you could have some phase switching it would be practical then.
Good luck
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Jim Peters
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Posted 23 Apr 2009 2:24 pm
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The revese wound pickup also has a the magnet flipped. Out of phase is not the same as a reverse wound pickup. I have a NV Tele too, it is hum-canceling in position 2 and 4, not out of phase. You could buy a reverse wound pickup for your tele, the closer the ohms on the 2 pickups, the more hum canceling it will be.
I also have an old Melody Maker with P 90's. I flipped the wires and the magnet on one of them, now they are quiet as a mouse when used together.
It is a common mistake to confuse reverse wound with out of phase. JP
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Blake Hawkins
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Florida
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Posted 23 Apr 2009 4:50 pm
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Jack's NV Tele has a modification. It ain't stock.
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Jim Peters
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St. Louis, Missouri, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 23 Apr 2009 5:37 pm
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Jack, what mod does your NV tele have? JP
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2009 8:49 pm
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To add a phase switch to a Tele you also have to lift the ground to the neck pickup cover - there's a small place to clip the connection, then you solder a new wire to ground the cover. Otherwise when you flip the switch the entire circuit shorts out.
A Phase switch DOES NOT get you a Strat two-pickup sound (mistakenly called out-of-phase) but it does get a useful tone IF your pickups are well-matched and have fairly high output. IF the neck pickup is weak it will sound horribly thin.
For that kind of sound the Nashville Tele (with 3 pickups) just doesn't do it either - the Strat's pickups are in a unique position in relation to string harmonics, and that's where the "quack" comes from.
The closest I've found is using a Red Rhodes Velvet Hammer bridge pickup, which has a second coil and very bizarre wiring (the pickup alone, which has two coils but is NOT a tapped-coil pickup like a humbucker and must be wired using Red's diagram or it just doesn't work right). Combining that with a Strat neck pickup (or Harmonic Design Mini-Strat) AND a 4-way switch (so pickups can be combined parallel or in series.) has several out-of-phase tones that are actually useful, plus some Strat-like sounds. Complicated, but folks on the Tele forum and the Clarence White Forum can give you the full skinny (it's all actually posted on the Clarence White Forum where I'm pretty active).
Red's originals sell for ungodly amounts - like $500 for a bridge pickup. His son is selling reissues that are VERY good - but again, just the pickup will not get you there, you need the whole package. I do have wiring diagrams for those who need 'em (I've had Red's pickups for decades).
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Ulric Utsi-Åhlin
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Sweden
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Posted 24 Apr 2009 12:19 am
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Jim said it,there are numerous misnomers kicking around...the true humbucking Tele set-up mentioned
would require one P-U wound north-going-south and
one south-going-north for a mirror image.McUtsi |
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 24 Apr 2009 2:03 am
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| Jim, my Nashville Tele is a MIM model with the stock pickups that came with it. I forget exactly what they are but someting on the order of Texas Hot Pickups. Tele pickups on the bridge and neck and a Strat pickup in the middle. It came with a 5 position switch like the Strat's with the center position the center strat pickup. I installed a Stew-Mac "super" switch and that one changed the center position to the bridge/neck pickup like a regular strat. |
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 24 Apr 2009 4:41 am
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| I get an out of phase like the Strats with the middle and bridge pickup (or the front and middle pickups) but it's not quite as pronounced as a Strat. |
Jack - The switch change you made is one that's common among Tele players; no one has quite figured out why the stock wiring is not simply the stock Strat wiring (but maybe with a tone control for the bridge pickup, something a Strat lacks). It does get much closer to the "quack" the way you wired it - but the reason it's not the same has to do with the pickup positions along the string length (the plate of the Tele bridge pickup also affects the "#2" switch position). Many players have bought Nashville Teles only to be disappointed, thinking it was a Strat in Tele clothing.
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1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 24 Apr 2009 4:46 am
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I am not looking for an out of phase sound ......
I am looking for a HUMBUCKING effect....
Looking at a Stewart McDonnald site. having Tele PUs with one reversed claiming to produce a...
HUMBUCKING effect.
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D Schubert
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Columbia, MO, USA
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Posted 24 Apr 2009 5:06 am
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Ken, back to your original question:
If you use the reverse-polarity neck pickup you will get rid of some/all of the typical Fender single-coil 60 cycle buzz or hum in the middle position. That's what they mean by "humbucking" in this description...
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electronics,_pickups/Pickups:_Guitar,_electric/Wilkinson_Single-coil_Pickups_for_Tele.html
Reversing the wires of your existing neck pickup (and grounding the metal cover separately) will not do that, but it will give you a very thin, nasal out-of-phase sound in the middle position.
Using a 4-way Telecaster switch will give you the two pickups in series in the 4th position (different from parallel in the 2nd position), which has thicker sound that vaguely resembles a dual-coil Gibson-style humbucker pickup. You could do that with either type of pickups.
You could also track down some stacked or side-by-side humbuckers for both positions in your guitar, and get that "quiet" effect in all three positions. I just installed a set of inexpensive GFS pickups of that type...
http://store.guitarfetish.com/lilpuxlnewfi.html
...in a T-style pawnshop prize and was amazed at how quiet (free from hum) they are.
There are many Tele wiring and pickup mods. I certainly haven't tried them all yet, but am working my way down the list. |
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D Schubert
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Columbia, MO, USA
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Posted 24 Apr 2009 5:25 am
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Regarding the 3-pickup Nashville wiring scheme, what you hear in the in-between positions is not out-of-phase. To prove this to myself, I reversed the wires on the middle pickup to get a true out-of-phase sound in the 2nd & 4th position. Very thin, trebly, awful, etc. Put it back the way it was, please!
Since then, I've swapped the hot wires of the neck and middle pickup on the plain 5-way switch so that I get these combinations, that are more useful for my playing style...
1- bridge
2- bridge+neck (standard tele sound)
3- neck
4- neck+middle
5- middle |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 24 Apr 2009 9:50 am
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It's a very common mistake to call positions 2 & 4 on a Strat out-of-phase, because the sounds somewhat (not really very much) resemble what two-pickup guitars sound like with the pickups out of phase.
I have a Nashville B-Bender Tele which I re-wired right after I bought it because it had the "Strat-o-Tele" wiring where position 3 on the five-way is bridge & neck, and all the other positions are Strat-configured. Apparently that only applies to the B-Bender NV Tele, not the regular NV. I re-wired it, using a stacked dual pot in the tone control position, so that I could also get the middle pickup alone; I'm surprised that many people want to do without that sound--I like it, and use it, a lot on three-pickup guitars. But everyone's different. |
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 24 Apr 2009 10:46 am
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All Right you hijackers, We will not negotiate,
All your out of phase demands are denied and you must turn yourselves in to the proper authority's immediately..
Over and out.
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Jim Peters
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Posted 24 Apr 2009 1:10 pm
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A pic of my NV Tele.
The lil red switch turns the neck PU on, giving me Neck and bridge, or all 3 at once. Jim Sliff is correct, it is not exactly a Strat, but it is pretty close. If I have another player sitting in with a Strat, you can really hear the difference, the NV Tele has more midrange, but it is a very cool sounding guitar in its own right.
D.Schubert,I couldn't live without bridge/middle, it is my bread and butter. Here's a small clip:
http://www.swirlband.com/crosscutsaw.mp3
NV Tele, bridge/middle pu, treble rolled back just a hair, into a tubescreamer,add a little delay, and a SF Deluxe,= my favorite tone.
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Curtis Alford
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BastropTexas, USA 78602
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Posted 25 Apr 2009 1:46 pm hum
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Ken,
Take it to Walter at Music Exchange on North Loop if he is not in, talk to Jon they can solve it for you.
The Stew-Mac pick-up are hum canceling. The neck is reversed wound to the bridge. I am using a set in my cheap tele I practice with. |
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Ulric Utsi-Åhlin
From:
Sweden
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Posted 26 Apr 2009 1:04 am
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Yeah,but I specified exactly what´s needed for a
2-PU humbucking set-up,a few posts up.McUtsi |
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Ulf Edlund
From:
Umeå, Sweden
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Posted 26 Apr 2009 2:41 am Re: Telecaster wiring
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| Ken Metcalf wrote: |
can I swap or reverse a wire on one of my Telecaster pickups
Ken |
Hi Ken.
Short answer, No. It doesn't work.
The key to this is "reverse wound".
Reverse connected is not the same thing and it doesn't work.
I was in a hurry once and did that by mistake and it sounded like a defect P-U.
The best pickups i have found so far is Tonerider, and believe me i have tried a lot of pickups.
I recently swapped a Duncan '54 for a Tonerider "hot classic" and i'm not looking back.
They are very, very reasonable priced and, qoute: "All sets are RWRP - offering noiseless operation in the "mid" position."
http://www.tonerider.com/pickups/telepickups.html
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