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Topic: 8 string copedent idea, tried on Fender 1000 |
b0b
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Posted 22 Mar 2009 3:11 pm |
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The stock Fender 1000 is single raise, single lower with two changes per pedal. I wanted to test the "F9th mode" that I described in another topic. The string gauges were already in the ballpark because I had a Sacred Steel E7th on the front neck. It took less than an hour to reconfigure the guitar to this:
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This is a really cool tuning! P8 shifts it to C6th, as the E lever of an E9th shifts to B6th. P7 is the F lever. P1 and P2 are the A and B pedals. It has that basic, back porch Americana feel to it - country without all the fancy Nashville changes and chromatic strings. I like it!
Of course, I had to cripple the back neck a bit to get it on this guitar. 
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Joe Gretz
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Posted 22 Mar 2009 3:55 pm Thanks!
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b0b,
Thanks for sharing! I can't wait to check it out. I hadn't seen that other thread till you mentioned it...I must be slippin'! 
What gauges are you using for this set up? Sorry if you listed it elsewhere and I missed it.
Joe
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 22 Mar 2009 4:33 pm Re: Thanks!
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| What gauges are you using for this set up? |
The wrong ones on the front neck, I'm sure! Any C6th set should do. It's just a C6th tuning with the E's tuned up to F.
If I had double raise capability, I'd tune 1st and 5th strings to E (Standard C6th) and raise them to F and F#. Also, a pedal to lower the 5th string to Eb would be real handy.
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John Allison
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Austin, Texas, USA
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Posted 22 Mar 2009 6:30 pm
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Hi b0b...
I'd love to hear a sampling of what you're getting out of this tuning. It's right up my alley and since it's looking like my 5 and 3, single raise/lower set up may be better suited as a C6 neck, this may be a good direction to think about.
Give us a little tune! 
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 22 Mar 2009 9:34 pm
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| Likewise Bob. I want to hear what you have there. Knowing what a good player you are, there must be some good sounds coming from that guitar. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 23 Mar 2009 7:45 am
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I'm still getting lost on it easily - I'm not used to thinking in F and Bb tunings. Give me a week or two.
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Eddie Cunningham
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Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 23 Mar 2009 9:03 am Fender 1000 - Alvino Rey chords
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| In the old original Fender 1000 instruction book there are pedal setups for the two necks that I think were Alvino Reys tuning set up . You have to use both feet and sometimes four pedals but EVERY chord possible is on there !! This is not "Country" but if you like chord playing these are the tunings to use !! I don't have that booklet anymore but maybe the info is available somewhere ?? Eddie "C" |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 24 Mar 2009 7:12 am
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I just want to make it clear that I don't recommend this copedent to anyone, least of all to a beginner. It's pretty confusing. It's just one of many experimental roads I've gone down.
I'm not going to keep it on the guitar for very long. Having so many changes on the front neck cripples the back neck too badly.
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Ben Jones
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Seattle, Washington, USA
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Posted 24 Mar 2009 1:53 pm
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Interesting!
I love that we can change our copedants so easily on these guitars. Really gives you a chance to see whats possible quickly and without alot of labor.
right now I'm making very little progress on Sneaky Petes B6...just havent had time to get into it.
Hey Eddie, is this what you were thinking of? Tunings start on page 10.
http://www.edusoft.ca/1000/fender_1000.pdf |
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Ulric Utsi-Γ
hlin
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Sweden
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Posted 24 Mar 2009 2:01 pm
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b0b,I SURE dig that C 6th add 9th tuning,a couple
more strings & 4th on top and IΒ΄d be looking at the
open strings of MY geetars...vevvy useable...McUtsi |
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Fred Glave
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McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 24 Mar 2009 2:51 pm
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That's pretty cool bOb. Kind of, sort of an 8 string Universal. What guitar could you do this with, other than an old Fender??
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 24 Mar 2009 3:29 pm
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It's actually a subset of this other idea I've been working on, for 5 pedals and 5 knees.
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That won't work on a Fender for obvious reasons, but it should be possible on any modern pedal steel.
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Fred Glave
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McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 25 Mar 2009 4:34 am
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Depending upon how you feel about installing knee levers on the Fender, it is possible, and not difficult. A Fender with knee levers makes this, and any kind of experimentation possible. I hope you post a sound clip, or 2 using this copedant bOb.
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 25 Mar 2009 7:44 am
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I'm not inclined to modify this old Fender, Fred.
I'm going to remove the P3 and P4 pulls from the front neck. I miss my C# pedal on the C6th!
I think it might be easier for some people to see what I'm doing if it was expressed in E instead of F:
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P1 P2 ... P7 P8
E +F -D#
B ++C#
G# +A
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E +F -D#
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Fred Glave
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McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 25 Mar 2009 8:02 am
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I understand completely. Preserving a classic is the right thing to do. My Fender 2000 is ideal for this kind of stuff, because the cabinet, necks, pedals and apron are not original. So it's no big deal to do other modifications too. The double raises and lowers with the cables, are what makes it a keeper.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 25 Mar 2009 7:47 pm Got my C# pedal back
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Both necks are now fairly complete:
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John Allison
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Austin, Texas, USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2009 5:40 am
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I like the minimalist approach on the front neck. I definitely want to hear a sample of what you can do with that.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2009 7:41 am
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John, I noticed in the E version that pedals down gives you a straight and simple A6th tuning. I'll try to make a recording of it tonight.
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Rick Collins
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Claremont , CA USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2009 7:59 am
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B0b, I have an early Fender 1000, nine pedals (chrome pedals), original pickups. Playing through Webb 6-14 E, or Nash. 112.
I have the same basic tuning (C6th) on the back neck as in your post.
I simply cannot get a pleasing sound from the back neck, and I've tried every string type and gauge.
Do you find the C6th on that neck to be inferior to most other guitars.
I know of at least one other Fender 1000 of another owner with the same tonal output.
E9th on the outside neck sounds good to me. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2009 8:17 am
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When I bought the guitar the back pickup was not functional. I had it rewound by Jason Lollar.
It sounds a bit bright for my taste, but there's no problem that I can't adjust for in my amp settings.
I use Jagwire nickel wound strings and tube amps. I've never tried this guitar through a solid state amp.
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David P Richardson
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Rhode Island, USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2009 8:39 am
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Ben, As the guy who Eddie sold the guitar to I can attest that is the manual.
Eddie, can't thank you enough, I have graduated to a Carter starter, but the sound of the 1000 through a blues Jr. is perfect for the band I play with.
Bob, really anxious to hear what you come up with and hear a clip of it. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Fred Glave
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McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2009 3:51 am
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Hastily recorded eh? That sounds pretty sweet on a couple of levels bOb. And with no knee levers. I'm impressed. That copedant is a keeper and the tone is right there with it!
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John Allison
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Austin, Texas, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2009 5:28 am
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Soooweeet! That sounds great, b0b! Thanks for taking the time to record and post it.
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David P Richardson
From:
Rhode Island, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2009 6:26 am
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