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Topic: The power of Cherokee Cowboys |
Jussi Huhtakangas
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Helsinki, Finland
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Herb Steiner
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Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 25 Feb 2009 11:37 am |
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Great shot of Big E duplicating Jimmy Day's E9 solo.
Here's another. Check out Ray doing "steps" with Pete Wade!! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bFub7Sm_iI
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Walter Stettner
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Vienna, Austria
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C Dixon
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Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 25 Feb 2009 1:08 pm
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Yep,
It was this, that caused soo many of us "ole timers" to form a fond love for the steel AS it was played when all of these awesome recordings were made.
While the PSG has made great progress and much has changed, the nostalgia of these old recordings shall forever be what we long to continue to hear.
Sadly, except for steel shows, it is pretty much gone. But we have our memories. And whenever we see one of these classics, it all comes back again.
For these were the days when a singer stood up and sang AND played a guitar AND the steel was featured always, not just to sit there and play a few licks. And the nicest thing is the singers did not hold the microphone so close to their mouths that they overdrove the input levels of the mic. So one could hear ALL the nuances and dynamic ranges of the way a microphone was designed to be used.
Long live the pedal steel guitar! And all those who helped make it into the "big time". Even though after 60 yrs, MOST Technical directors and/or cameramen still have NO clue where that incredible sound is coming from.
Oh well.
carl.
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Tommy Shown
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Denham Springs, La.
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 7:36 pm
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It's beyond great, Buddy needs to get back at it. He's such a great talent. We need you Buddy, We miss you.
Tommy |
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Andrew Brown
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Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 5 Mar 2009 8:36 pm
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| Well...this is good, but live they were about 1000% better. I have some live tapes of the Cherokee Cowboys in their prime, w/Emmons. Maybe someday I'll figure out how to digitize them and post them somewhere on the Internet. |
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Bobby Boggs
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Upstate SC.
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Posted 5 Mar 2009 9:53 pm
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| Fun to watch. But I like it much better when Buddy plays like Buddy. Thanks for the links.....bb |
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Bob Hoffnar
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Austin, Tx
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Posted 5 Mar 2009 10:15 pm
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Jussi,
Thanks so much ! I just wandered into a pile of Ray Price on youtube. Just amazing beautiful music. So alive and fun.
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Jason Longoria
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Texas, USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2009 6:13 am
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Tore Blestrud
From:
Oslo, Norway
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Posted 6 Mar 2009 8:43 am
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Note the steel amp and guitar playing into the same microphone - effective.
Anyone now what kind of amp and mic it is?
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 6 Mar 2009 9:39 am
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Ray Price is one of the greatest voices in country music history, no doubt about it.
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Rich Peterson
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Posted 6 Mar 2009 9:39 am
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| And the nicest thing is the singers did not hold the microphone so close to their mouths that they overdrove the input levels of the mic. So one could hear ALL the nuances and dynamic ranges of the way a microphone was designed to be used. |
Very good point, Carl. I deliberately use a mic (an Electrovoice 457) that lets me stand back a ways, and insist that the soundman turn me up loud enough. Prevents harshness and gives me the ability to control loudness.
Of course, this is just another area where many other musicians think I'm nuts and hard to work with, but I've earned it; I've got the scars. |
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Drew Howard
From:
48854
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Posted 6 Mar 2009 11:56 am
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| I'm no genius (ask my wife) nor a student of recording techniques, but individual close mic-ing of instruments in studios wasn't the norm until the 60's, right? Prior to that studios mic'ed the singer and the room. |
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Jussi Huhtakangas
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Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 7 Mar 2009 1:53 am
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| Buddy's amp is a Standel, I believe Pete Wade's is a Gibson. The mic there is a ribbon RCA 77, one of the greatest microphones in a recording industry ever. |
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Tore Blestrud
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Oslo, Norway
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Posted 7 Mar 2009 2:24 am
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Thanks Jussi, you need to write a book!
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Rich Peterson
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Moorhead, MN
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Posted 12 Mar 2009 8:58 am
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| What brand/model guitar is Pete Wade playing? I'm thinking it's a Yamaha? |
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Mark Durante
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St. Pete Beach FL
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Posted 13 Mar 2009 2:46 am
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Could be a Mosrite, here's a pic of one from that time period
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Rich Peterson
From:
Moorhead, MN
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Posted 13 Mar 2009 5:39 am Definitely not Mosrite
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I don't see any elements in common with the early, or any other Mosrite. Pete's guitar appears to have minihumbuckers with chrome covers, so maybe from Epiphone/Gibson. Can't tell if the polepieces are exposed; if not, they would be Firebird units.
The pickup selector appears to have a Telecaster knob. The bridge and the shape of the pickguard below it look a bit like my Yamaha SA-15 ("Return to the Valley of the Dolls.") But it does not look homemade. Looks weird, but refined. That's why I thought Yamaha, because of the weirdness, but done better than the other Japanese product of the time. Could have been bought while in the service in the Pacific.
I have no knowledge of other west coast guitar makers of the time than Fender, Carvin and Moseley, but I wasn't living out there. |
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Mark Durante
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St. Pete Beach FL
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Posted 13 Mar 2009 6:00 pm
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Around 1961 or so Semie Moseley made some guitars for Standel with that headstock and a similar body with possibly Carvin pickups. Deke would probably be able to shed some light
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Rich Peterson
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Moorhead, MN
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Posted 13 Mar 2009 7:23 pm
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Mark, the guitar Pete is playing definitely does not have Carvin pickups. They have metal covers. Also, the dots on the fingerboard are unusual in that there is a double dot at the third fret. And the headstock shape is unlike any Mosrite. The overall appearance of Pete's guitar looks sorta graceful, while Moseley's early efforts, aside from the Maphis/Collins doublenecks, had a clumsy look.
I found a site with images of Yamaha guitars from the '60's to the present, and there's nothing like Pete's instrument, so I'm barking up the wrong tree as well. I'm leaning toward American made, though, because of the Fenderstyle switch and metal covered pickups.
It would have next to impossible at that time for an independent luthier to obtain Gibson or Epiphone pickups. Gibson had made that one-off archtop with a round soundhole for Ray. So it might be a special project done for Pete Wade, by Gibson. |
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Rich Peterson
From:
Moorhead, MN
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Posted 13 Mar 2009 7:50 pm Mystery is solved!!
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The guitar is a Gower (which apparently became Grammer?)
http://www.hep.uiuc.edu/home/g-gollin/guitar/
I'm certain nobody else put the pickup selector in that position, and the headstock matches. Pete's guitar is an upscale model, or more likely a custom build. |
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Jussi Huhtakangas
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Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 14 Mar 2009 12:52 am
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| That's it, I'm pretty sure you're right Rich! Wow, never heard of Gover before, but I am familiar with Grammers though. |
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Mark Durante
From:
St. Pete Beach FL
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Posted 14 Mar 2009 11:13 am
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BINGO, Rich you got it. Don't see too many Gower guitars. That's a new one on me.
OK, back to Big E's Sho-Bud, this is the STEEL guitar forum after all  |
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