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Topic: Anyone familiar with this copedent ? |
Trevor Fagan
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Posted 28 Feb 2009 10:21 am |
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I just found a 1971 Emmons P/P with this setup. The pedals are Emmons setup, but the knees are configured as shown in the table. Has anyone here used this copedent? Can this guitar be changed to Emmons setup, relatively easily, using the existing parts? We don't have psg mechanics in our area. Thanks
Trev
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Larry Bressington
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Nebraska
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Posted 28 Feb 2009 10:36 am
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Looks like a straightforward copedant.
You should be able to personlize that to your taste. |
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Trevor Fagan
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Newfoundland, Canada
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Posted 1 Mar 2009 8:50 am
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Is this a widely-used configuration for the knee levers? The LKL raises the E's, and the RKR lowers the 2nd string -1/-2 (the same as my ShoBud Pro 1)... but all the other knee levers are setup differently. Is it simply a matter of re-arranging the existing hardware to match the "standard" emmons copedent that I am familiar with....are these guitars designed to be easily reconfigured using the existing undercarriage... or does it require additional parts to accomplish this?
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2009 10:03 am
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LKR looks odd to me - I've never seen both of those changes on the same lever.
The E raises and lowers (LKL and RKL) are the same as mine. A lot of people have them there.
I'd swap LKV and LKR, and move the 9th string lower to RKR1 where it belongs. Then I'd feel right at home.
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 1 Mar 2009 11:16 am
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| The "standard Emmons" setup refers only to the three pedals, which are standard here. There are no real standards for the knees, but the most common two variants have the E lowers on RKL (old Sho-Bud stock, preferred by Paul Franklin), or on LKR (a common modern arrangement, preferred by Buddy Emmons). The 5th string lower to Bb is most commonly on LKV. But the 1st string raise is also commonly there. If you have both, they work fine the way you have them, or switched. As b0b points out, the 9th string lower is most commonly on RKR. You will have to get a new pull rod long enough to make that switch. |
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Trevor Fagan
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Newfoundland, Canada
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Posted 11 Mar 2009 4:27 pm
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Here's some pics of the guitar. It appears to have all the parts (with the exception of an original tuning key, and the rubber feet for the legs). The pedals & levers seem pretty stiff (compared to my Sho~Bud) and it's a little out of adjustment. The C pedal travels much further than A & B. However, I'm very strongly considering buying this guitar in an attempt to "rescue/restore" it... it would be a shame to allow it to deteriorate any further. It would be an added bonus if I could configure it to my present "standard" copedent... or should I just learn to play it "as is" ???? Mmmmm
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Brint Hannay
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Maryland, USA
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Posted 11 Mar 2009 10:42 pm
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Don't know what your current "standard" copedent is, but here's my opinion (on this topic there are only opinions):
If you like the 1 and 7 half-step raise ("+1"), I'd say keep it on the vertical. It's most useful as a 7th for the A+B pedals chord, and pressing the vertical is easiest when you're also holding the pedals down. (A personal preference: you might consider taking off the 1st string change--it's cool to have the 13th on the 1st string, either as a chord member or a melody note. That's what I do.) A lot of all-pull players like to put the 5 (and 10) half step lower(s) on the vertical for the same physical reason, for the minor chord split with A+B, but that doesn't apply on a p/p!
Otherwise, like the others, the only change I'd make would be moving the 9th string half step lower to RKR--maybe moving the existing LKR 9th string hardware over to the 10th string for a half step lower there--I like that change.
All IMHO.
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| As b0b points out, the 9th string lower is most commonly on RKR. You will have to get a new pull rod long enough to make that switch. |
Actually, in this case, that would be a PUSH rod. And if a second change on LKR (other than the 5th string lower) isn't desired, the current 9th string lower rod removed from LKR could be cut SHORTER to make the same change on RKR. |
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