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Topic: The Irrefutable Melting Pot Of Country Music |
Bill Hankey
From: Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 3:54 am
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The irrefutable melting pot of host constituencies, are changing the formatting to suit their economic needs. Success as a musician within the peripheries of the hot spots, requires the standard good looks, talent, voice, originality, and numerous small items that are overlooked by everyone except those picking up the tab. Songwriters, and "guitar players" are swarming in and out of the city, much like a hive of bees. One of the major problems with trying to be somebody, is having to cope with the influences of those who delight in thumbing their noses at country music; at its best..
Last edited by Bill Hankey on 4 Mar 2009 7:18 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Bill Hankey
From: Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 6:33 am
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Well that sums it up. It is as suspected. The communications GAP is wider than ever amongst the sophisticates in city life. Country music is where the noncountry musicians would no doubt like it to be.. Somewhere between a rut and a hard place. Translated somewhere between R&R and unintelligible nonsense. Tell Mel that he'll need some patches to hand out, come Judgment Day. |
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Archie Nicol R.I.P.
From: Ayrshire, Scotland
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 7:28 am
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Jeezo, man! No' mare pish? _________________ I'm well behaved, so there! |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 8:53 am
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Translated somewhere between R&R and unintelligible nonsense. |
Pretty much sums up this thread already .... |
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Bill Hankey
From: Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 9:59 am
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Barry,
Those involuntary chuckles that you create with that fictitious shroud of plastic, which happens to be quite foreign to routinized daily viewing. It definitely sums up something out of the ordinary. Perhaps something different molded from a country image? |
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Tommy Shown
From: Denham Springs, La.
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 10:30 am
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Country music is not not country music anymore, anytime you turn on CMT or any of the other outlets for country music, such as radio. It sounds like someone is dying when they sing or someone is playing a screeching guitar. I know I am going to catch some you know what over this. But thid is my opinion. You got these corporate big wigs working for these broadcasting companies, that don't know the first thing about country music, they are of the mentality, that if the guy wears a cowboy hat he's country. That's a bunch of bull dung, if you ask me,
I grew up listening to real cuntry music. Today the closest thing to real country that I can find Is George Strait,or Alan Jackson. I called a certain so called country radio station in Houston, Tx. one time to request Ernest Tubb, I politely told by the DJ that answered the phone that Ernest Tubb was,"too country for their audience". I love real country music so mr DJ don't be afraid to put some real on the radio. I am "Too Country and Damn Proud of it"!
Tommy |
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Gary Lee Gimble
From: Fredericksburg, VA.
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 10:34 am
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"Perhaps something different molded from a country image?"
"Molded" just for you......down wind
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Charles Davidson
From: Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 10:52 am
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My favorite country singer the GREAT Dale Watson says it BETTER than anyone in his songs,[Mr. DJ would you please play a REAL country song] also his tune Country my ASS,those two tunes tell it like it REALLY is. DYKBC. _________________ Hard headed, opinionated old geezer. BAMA CHARLIE. GOD BLESS AMERICA. ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVIST. SUPPORT LIVE MUSIC ! |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 11:02 am
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Those involuntary chuckles that you create with that fictitious shroud of plastic, which happens to be quite foreign to routinized daily viewing. |
Fictitious indeed! |
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Tommy Shown
From: Denham Springs, La.
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 11:07 am
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Charles Davidson wrote: |
My favorite country singer the GREAT Dale Watson says it BETTER than anyone in his songs,[Mr. DJ would you please play a REAL country song] also his tune Country my ASS,those two tunes tell it like it REALLY is. DYKBC. |
I like him too, Charles. It's a shame they won't play him on local country radio. I like MR. DJ .
Tommy |
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Bill Hankey
From: Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 11:26 am
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Gary,
Roger claimed that, "You can't roller skate in a "buffalo" herd, but he never mentioned anything about trucks, trains, or a dozen or so bison fenced in on your front lawn. Talk about justice for the little boy next door who can't stop quipping, or peeking around the corners of buildings. |
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Bob Simons
From: Kansas City, Mo, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 11:52 am
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Fascinating. I was a cultural anthropologist at Cambridge University in England, with a reasonable command of the English language and it's various colloquial forms, and I still can't make any sense out of Bill Hankey!
All I know is, steel guitar players should quit complaining and just play something they enjoy. If other people don't want to pay for the privilege of hearing it...oh well...
If you are a professional player, play what you're hired to play. It's a job, too, you know. What is all the angst about? Frankly, after 10 St. Louis steel guitar conventions I've heard alot of great music, but nothing too relevant to anybody under 50. And to the extent that steel guitar was briefly fashionable- Robert Randolph- maybe you all should have enthusiastically supported him instead of carping like a bunch of catty old ladies.
Fellas, most of what you play is historical material played in a slavishly doctrinaire style. I like it, you like it, why does it bother you so much that the market place doesn't like it. You're still better off than accordian players! _________________ Zumsteel U12 8-5, MSA M3 U12 9-7, MSA SS 10-string, 1930 National Resonophonic, Telonics Combo, Webb 614e, Fender Steel King, Mesa Boogie T-Verb. |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 12:18 pm
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Well said, Bob. Needless to say, a breath of fresh air on this subject. |
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Stuart Legg
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 12:48 pm
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Bill, it sounds like that good old mix it all together, chicken fry it, throw in an egg on top call it country.
Don't forget the cheese.
THE HASHVILLE SOUND
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Ben Jones
From: Seattle, Washington, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 12:58 pm Re: The Irrefutable Melting Pot Of Country Music
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Bill Hankey wrote: |
The irrefutable melting pot of host constituencies, are changing the formatting to suit their economic needs. Success as a musician within the peripheries of the hot spots, requires the standard good looks, talent, voice, originality, and numerous small items that are overlooked by everyone except those picking up the tab. Songwriters, and "guitar players" are swarming in and out of the city, much like a hive of bees. One of the major problems with trying to be somebody, is having to cope with the influences of those who delight in thumbing their noses at country music; at its best.. |
thanks for the update...i guess. ???
edit: oooh Bob Simons hits a bullseye, preach on brother! |
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Theresa Galbraith
From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 1:11 pm
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Theresa Galbraith
From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 1:12 pm
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double post |
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Mike Schwartzman
From: Maryland, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 1:39 pm
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Ah well Bill...I can sympathize with your feelings on the topic, but here we are in the year 2009 and what we hear as far as popular music (of many genres) has changed and will keep changing as far as I can tell.
2 weeks ago I was helping a rockabilly band with a demo, and we listened to some old vinyl because the fellows were recording some Buddy Holly, Everly Bros., etc. and wanted to compare their digital recordings to the originals from the 50's. Well, I don't have to tell you how different they were, and even though the fellows did a fine job in the studio, it seemed staggering just how much recording techniques alone have evolved over the decades.
For better or worse I take heart and I'm thankful for having enjoyed the country music (other genres too) from eras in the past and as Bob suggested above...I play what I like.
Who knows, Bill? There are probably people who will revere what's coming out of mainstream radio now just as we do of the older stuff. In most cases I'm not one of those folks, so I'll mourn a little bit and hopefully keep on playin'. _________________ Emmons Push Pull, BMI, Session 400, Home of the Slimcaster Tele. |
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Bill Hankey
From: Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 1:57 pm
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Theresa,
I was reminded of Del Reeves' and Dave Dudley's "Girl On The Billboard" when I saw the smiling face. I'm actually learning more by checking performances on You Tube, than the brevity proffered by your responses. I know that you are surrounded by famous musicians, and that you're not included in that group as a "picker". Your name would have carried you, due to its euphonious syllabications. |
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Charles Davidson
From: Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 3:05 pm
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Tommy the reason you won't hear Dale on radio or rarely on TV ,he's just TOO good,They think of him the same way they did Johnny Cash,when a record exc. told Johnny,You are TOO country for country.maybe if Dale would start singing songs with NO melody,replace the steel guitar with a couple of rock guitar players,and a keyboard,he would be welcomed into the fold of country music,HOPE HE NEVER DOES THIS. DYKBC. _________________ Hard headed, opinionated old geezer. BAMA CHARLIE. GOD BLESS AMERICA. ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVIST. SUPPORT LIVE MUSIC ! |
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Leslie Ehrlich
From: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 3:39 pm
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Bob Simons wrote: |
Fellas, most of what you play is historical material played in a slavishly doctrinaire style. |
I'm not one of those fellas. If they heard me play steel they'd say I'm just making a bunch of noise. _________________ Sho-Bud Pro III + Marshall JMP 2204 half stack = good grind! |
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Mac McGhee
From: Texas, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 4:10 pm
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Mr. Bob: I also have a little edumencation. So What?
A performer whom you may not know put it this way:
"The powers to be say that the old country is out. If that be true, why when I go out to perform the house is full and they ask for the old stuff." That individual's name is George Jones.
I play for money and I play for the fun of it and mostly the fun. I don't listen to the crap they call country music. I attend and will be attending the show in Dallas this month. Guess we will all listen to the old crap. What do I know? It just hit me "I live in Texas. The land of Junior Knight, Ralph Mooney, and in fact the list is so long I can't put all the names here. Johnny Bush, Darell McCall, Gene Watson. Sorry, They like that old crap..... |
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Mac McGhee
From: Texas, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 4:34 pm
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I wouldn't normally say anything to tick anyone off but at my age, I don't really care.
Some people on here who are pro players show where you are coming from and don't have to say it. When a newbie ask you a question you are the ones who looks at him like I earned mine, you earned yours. I'm above you so what right do you even have to speak to me? You remind me of the Grath Brooks type to charge for an autograph.
I have a flattop that is my autograph guitar and so many have signed it and some have played it. I met with Travis Tritt's band at Billy Bobs and that was the greatest bunch of guys going. Steve Strum is super to be a Steeler. No high hating going on with that group. Janie Fricke the same. Super people. Try Supermouth Smith, Marty Stuarte, Mr. Bill Anderson. Those are the people that have something to be stuck up about. They're not!!!!!!! nuff said |
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Archie Nicol R.I.P.
From: Ayrshire, Scotland
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 4:55 pm
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It's enough to put one off kittens.
Arch. _________________ I'm well behaved, so there! |
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Joe Miraglia
From: Jamestown N.Y.
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Posted 4 Mar 2009 5:00 pm
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True- Country music stopped being country music,when we stopped playing and singing that song-something about," I came from Alabama with a banjo on my knee"."You Are My Sunshine",now that was country. My point,what year did country music stop being Counrty Music.Joe |
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