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Austin Tripp
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Posted 25 Feb 2009 7:37 pm |
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My "a" pedal on my emmons makes a clicking sound when I release it. I already checked the pull rods to make sure there not rubbing anything and there not.I also checked the pedal to make sure it wasnt loose and I checked the pedal board to make sure it wasnt loose, and they aint. Its making me SOOOOO mad that im ready to quit or sell the guitar and buy a different one. If you release it fast enough, you can hear the "click" through the pickup. Can someone help?
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Lee Baucum
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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 25 Feb 2009 8:01 pm
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I don't know about the all-pull Emmons guitars, but the push/pulls have a small spring at the end of the cross rods. The only way to get to it is to partially remove the cross rod. It's compressed between the end of the cross rod and the body of the guitar, inside the hole the cross rod is inserted in. My old push/pull was doing just what you are describing. I finally traced the source of the click to that little spring. I didn't even know there was spring in there. I just knew that the click was coming from that location. When I started pulling out the cross rod, the spring sprung (sprang?) out across the room. Thankfully, I was able to locate it. I put some grease on the spring, stuck it back in the hole and pushed the cross rod back on top of it. No more click.
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Austin Tripp
From:
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Posted 25 Feb 2009 9:03 pm
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J Hollenberg
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Vlaardingen, The Netherlands
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 2:31 am Problem Emmons Lashley LeGrande III
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I have a Lashley LeGrande and I've had the same problem. Try the following on the pull rod of the 5th and 10th string. Hold the tuning nut ( at the changer ) with your fingers and move it up en down a little while slowly using the A pedal.When it is gone in a certain position you must bend the tuning nut a little at the changer.It solved the problem at mine guitar.
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Mike Archer
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church hill tn
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 6:00 am check changer
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check the pull rods at the changer
see if rod on 5 or 10 has a spacer missing
that spacer is behind the tunning nut
it keeps the threads of the rod from rubbing
the inside of changer finger.....that can be a
place to look....also flip guitar over and
watch the travel of the rods while working
A pedal.....check crosshaft for binding
just a thought let us know if you fing it
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Jack Strayhorn
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Winston-Salem, NC
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 9:45 am
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| Make sure that there is lubrication on the resting edge of the drop return spring plate, and the same along the edge of endplate ledge where the fingers pivot. The pull rods should float free so that when the guitar is upright that they rest at the bottom of the hole in finger. If this is not the case, you will here a click as you enguage the pedal. But you are saying it is when you release the pedal? So experience tells me the lubrication problem exist. This is a minor fix, no need for selling the guitar. |
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Austin Tripp
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Nashville TN
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 11:35 am
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Jack, if im not mistaken, this used to be your personal guitar. The serial # is 1958L, and it has 10 knees. I bought it from Bobby Boggs. I will deffinatly try lubing the changer more. If that does not solve the problem, then what do I do?
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Austin Tripp
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Nashville TN
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 1:34 pm
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Bobby Boggs
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 6:44 pm
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I have a Lashley LeGrande and I've had the same problem. Try the following on the pull rod of the 5th and 10th string. Hold the tuning nut ( at the changer ) with your fingers and move it up en down a little while slowly using the A pedal.When it is gone in a certain position you must bend the tuning nut a little at the changer.It solved the problem at mine guitar.
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I vote for this idea. If you'll press your finger against the tuning nut.You should be able to feel the rod jerk or move side ways just a bit. Just my guess......bb |
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Jack Strayhorn
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Winston-Salem, NC
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 6:51 pm
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It's not really the changer that needs lubrication, but the points of contact that the raise and lower members make at the spring plate and rocker ledge of the endplate. It is best to use a heavier grease type of lubricant over a light oil. When building these guitars, I knew that if the finger was making this clicking that is amplified through the pickup that these areas had been overlooked. For me, this cured the problem every time. If you understand the areas I am describing, and it doesn't help, call me. In case I am unfamiliar to you, I was the GM at Emmons from 87'-99', and I handled all phoned in technical issues. I am familiar with what you are describing and unless I misunderstand your problem, this will solve it!
If you need me call: 336-760-8717, leave a message, I will return your call. |
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Jack Strayhorn
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Winston-Salem, NC
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 6:56 pm
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| The problem being described concerning the pull rod, helps if the noise is taking place as you engage the pedal. If it is making a clicking sound as the finger is released and returned to rest, then it is at the point of contact at the drop return spring plate. I dealt with this on a regular basis, trust me! |
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Austin Tripp
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Nashville TN
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 7:08 pm
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Jack, Thank you so much for the help. Turns out the compensator on string 5 was turned in to far and it created a problem. Once I finally figured out the problem, it was all downhill from there. Thanks to everyone who helped me. I will keep the guitar now.
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Austin Tripp
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 7:11 pm
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| It is best to use a heavier grease type of lubricant over a light oil |
What type of grease??
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Jack Strayhorn
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 7:14 pm
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| Austin, I am glad you have traced the problem down. The noise was being created at the same place I was desribing. With the compensator being over adjusted, the lowering member of the finger was probably snapping back into place striking the spring plate. Good catch! |
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Jack Strayhorn
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 7:22 pm
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| The guitar was assembled using white lithium grease. If this is not readily available, then any type of gear or bearing grease will work. Release the drop return spring on the finger and put a small dab on the edge of the spring plate. I would suggest that you do this even though you have descovered the compesator was envolved. What I have desribed is still a problem and the grease will act as a buffer or shock absorber. |
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Roger Crawford
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Griffin, GA USA
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 7:27 pm
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| Jack is "Da Man" for Emmons issues. It's good to see you here, my friend. |
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Jack Strayhorn
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Winston-Salem, NC
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 7:31 pm
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| Thanks Roger. The only reason I have returned is the desire to help those in need. I just couldn't stay away any longer. If anyone out there has a problem with an Emmons guitar and can't get the problem resolved, contact me. If it is a last resort, bring it to me or ship it here and I will fix it. In a case like this, for free! |
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Bobby Boggs
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 8:25 pm
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| Turns out the compensator on string 5 was turned in to far and it created a problem |
And for the record.Who suggested you check for that?  And I assume that also solved the problem of 5th string returning flat? You're welcome.
As for this post. I read it in a hurry. Misread it
is a better term. The fix I endorsed. Is for a clicking or poping sound a slightly out of shape rod can make at the changer when a pedal is pressed. Not released. My bad for that. 
And yes Jack is the man.No question about that.Glad he's back. He can teach most all of us a lot. My favorite of all the Legrande builders.
Don't get me wrong. I'm happy to help anyone. But it makes the phone call seem more worth your time if you at least get credited for your help. If I'm asking too much? I apologize......bb |
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Bobby Boggs
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 10:15 pm
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Sorry, posted in wrong section. Not sure how this happened.  |
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Nick Reed
From:
Russellville, KY USA
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Posted 26 Feb 2009 11:16 pm
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Hello Jack Strayhorn,
Great to see that yer still around!
Nick |
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