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Topic: Mr. Seymore is right again. |
Charles Davidson
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Posted 7 Jan 2009 12:41 pm |
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Just got back on line after a couple of weeks,was catching up on Mr. Seymore's tips,Good to see someone with the GUTS to tell it like it is,The comment he made about Jimi's Star[MANGELED] Banner was dead on.Kudos to you Mr. Seymore. DYKBC.
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Ray Minich
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Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 8 Jan 2009 6:18 am
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I recall the furor over Jimi's version, and how many times I heard it called disrespectful at the time, and for many years.
Two years ago I heard Jimi's version as the background music to either a POST or Kellogg's cereal commercial.
Way to go Jimi Hendrix!  |
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Jody Sanders
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Posted 8 Jan 2009 12:30 pm
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| 'The Star Spangled Banner" is our National Anthem. It should be treated with the utmost of respect. It should be played and sang to the tune that Francis Scott Key put the words to. Not on some distorted ,out of tune instrument, or by some off key bluesy jazz singer. Our Country needs a lot of correcting, but disrespecting the National Anthem is not one of them. Jody. |
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 8 Jan 2009 12:43 pm Oh please...
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...as tho the times it has been sung incredibly bad at millions of ball games etc. does it so much respect.
What Jimi did was out of the utmost respect.
You just may not be able to see/hear/understand this. |
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AJ Azure
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Massachusetts, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 8 Jan 2009 2:00 pm
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an anthem is just a song. if you want to be respectful to your country do it by your actions not by worshiping an inanimate object or song. Symbolism is only symbolism if not backe4d up by action. patriotism is easy when all you have to do is salute a flag or sing a song.
flame away..Jimi did |
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Jim Robbins
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Ontario, Canada
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Posted 8 Jan 2009 2:20 pm
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The original words to the tune, before F. Scott Key borrowed it:
To Anacreon in Heav'n, where he sat in full glee,
A few Sons of Harmony sent a petition;
That he their Inspirer and Patron wou'd be;
When this answer arrived from the Jolly Old Grecian;
"Voice, Fiddle, and Flute,
No longer be mute,
I'll lend you my name and inspire you to boot,
And besides I'll instruct you like me, to intwine,
The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."
The news through Olympus immediately flew;
When Old Thunder pretended to give himself airs.
If these Mortals are suffered their scheme to pursue,
The Devil, a Goddess, will stay above stairs.
"Hark", Already they cry,
"In transports of joy,
Away to the Sons of Anacreon we'll fly.
And besides I'll instruct you like me, to intwine,
The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."
"The Yellow-Haired God and his nine lusty Maids,
From Helion's banks will incontinent flee,
Idalia will boast but of tenantless Shades,
And the bi-forked hill a mere desert will be.
My Thunder no fear on't,
Shall soon do it's errand,
And damme I'll swing the Ringleaders I warrant,
I'll trim the young dogs, for thus daring to twine,
The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."
Apollo rose up and said, "Pry'thee ne'er quarrel,
Good sing of the Gods with my Vot'ries below:
Your Thunder is useless"--then showing his laurel,
Cry'd "Sic evitable fulmen' you know!
Then over each head
My laurels I'll spread
So my sons from your Crackers no mischief shall dread,
While snug in their clubroom, they jovially twine,
The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."
Next Momus got up with his risible Phiz
And swore with Apollo he'd cheerfully join-
"The full tide of Harmony still shall be his,
But the Song, and the Catch, and the Laugh, shall be mine.
Then Jove be not jealous
Of these honest fellows,"
Cry'd Jove, "We relent since the truth you now tell us;
And swear by Old Styx, that they long shall intwine,
The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."
Ye Sons of Anacreon then join hand in hand;
Preserve Unanimity, Friendship, and Love!
'Tis yours to support what's so happily plann'd;
You've the sanction of Gods, and the Fiat of Jove.
While thus we agree,
Our toast let it be:
"May our Club flourish Happy, United, and Free!
And long may the Sons of Anacreon intwine,
The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine." |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 8 Jan 2009 2:25 pm Re: Oh please...
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What Jimi did was out of the utmost respect.
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But...do we know that for sure? Isn't it at least possible he was just exaggerating to all getout just to have a little fun?
It's easy to notice what a person does. It's often far harder to determine why they do it. Jimi was in the Army Airborne, so we at least know he had some patriotic background. 
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Alvin Blaine
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Picture Rocks, Arizona, USA
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Posted 8 Jan 2009 2:25 pm
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| 'The Star Spangled Banner" is our National Anthem. It should be treated with the utmost of respect. It should be played and sang to the tune that Francis Scott Key put the words to. Not on some distorted ,out of tune instrument, or by some off key bluesy jazz singer. Our Country needs a lot of correcting, but disrespecting the National Anthem is not one of them. Jody. |
Francis Scott Key didn't put words to any tune, he didn't even write it as a song.
He wrote a poem entitled it "Defence of Fort McHenry." Then later his brother-in-law, Joseph H. Nicholson, noticed the words fit the popular melody "To Anacreon in Heaven", an old British drinking song from the mid-1760s, composed in London by John Stafford Smith.
Nicholson took the poem to a printer in Baltimore, who anonymously printed broadside copies of it. A few days later the Baltimore Patriot and The American(newspapers) printed the song, with the note "Tune: Anacreon in Heaven".
Key had NOTHING to do with it being turned into a song.
Now since the Jimmy version doesn't have any lyric on it, then is it the "Star Spangled Banner" or is it the old British drinking tune "To Anacreon in Heaven"?
Also do some still think it is some sort of blasphemy if he was just playing an instrumental version of an old drinking song?
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Jody Sanders
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Magnolia,Texas, R.I.P.
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Posted 8 Jan 2009 2:36 pm
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| Hmmm Then is the HOLY BIBLE just an inaminate object? Jody. |
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AJ Azure
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Massachusetts, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 8 Jan 2009 2:54 pm
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| Hmmm Then is the HOLY BIBLE just an inaminate object? Jody. |
yep it's a symbol of something not the something it represents. cool now we bring religion into it. what's next racism, sexism, c'mon let it all go! |
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James Cann
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Posted 8 Jan 2009 4:29 pm
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| ...as tho the times it has been sung incredibly bad at millions of ball games etc. does it so much respect. |
. . . or those times (virtually always, now) when ill-mannered boors talk and hoot their way through it . . . sitting down, beer cups in hand, hats on. |
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Stephen Dorocke
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Tres Piedras, New Mexico
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Posted 8 Jan 2009 7:29 pm
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| true story.. once in the early-mid 60's, while having a fantastic LSD experience, it was still legal then, and it was the same type the Defense Dept. was using on our soldiers for research, my copy of the Holy Bible actually got up and "Waltzed Across Texas" to that "Mansion on the Hill." "Dingdang it," I said to myself... |
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Mark Eaton
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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 8 Jan 2009 7:43 pm
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Stephen Gambrell
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Over there
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Posted 8 Jan 2009 8:32 pm
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When I was in the Army, the National Anthem was played at closing time at the NCO club, as a lot of you know. Sometimes you could hardly hear it for guys puking, or somebody beating another guy's ass 'cause he wasn't able to stand up, whatever. Whitney Houston made the CHARTS with her melismatic version.
Somebody ASKED Rosanne to sing it at that baseball game---Now, who was being disrespectful--Rosanne, for being Rosanne, or the people who hired her, expecting something different.
A lot of the guys at Woodstock were Nam vets---and a lot had Nam waiting for them. Jimi was reaching out. And apparently, still is. |
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Charles Davidson
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Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 9 Jan 2009 7:50 pm
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Mr.Sanders,At the end of my favorite TV show there is a segment called pinheads and patriots.Mr. Sanders sir,you are a patriot. DYKBC.
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 10 Jan 2009 3:23 pm
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Stephen Dorocke
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Tres Piedras, New Mexico
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Posted 10 Jan 2009 5:22 pm
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Fox "news" and O'Reilly are bought and paid for by people that are ANYTHING but patriotic. So y'all just keep your eyes glued to the T.V. while the real powers that be rifle through your pockets and dump the good ole U.S of A. down the toilet. And remember, money doesn't disappear, it just changes hands.  |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Leslie Ehrlich
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Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
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Posted 10 Jan 2009 9:35 pm
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Getting back to Hendrix's version of the tune, the one thing I really liked about the Woodstock version was his amp. Sure, the sound of his guitar was garbled with a fuzzbox and a UniVibe, but at the end of the chain was the hollow midrangey honk of a Marshall stack with Celestion speakers.
And by the way, the Star Spangled Banner has a melody that makes for a good instrumental, regardless of how it's played.
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Stephen Dorocke
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Tres Piedras, New Mexico
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Posted 10 Jan 2009 9:54 pm
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| Yes indeed! Those mid to late 60's Marshall amps were superior tone machines! |
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Guy Cundell
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More idle ramblings from South Australia
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Posted 11 Jan 2009 5:16 am
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I get the message BOB but this is music as a political statement like "God Save The Queen" by the Sex Pistols or Beethoven's 3rd Symphony dedicated to Napoleon. Beethoven later tore up the dedication as the French guns were pounding Vienna his home town. OK, not really the 3rd symphony but Beethoven later wrote a piece called Wellington's Victory with trumpets blaring, guns firing and the sounds of war. A lot like SSB but without the anthem. It is not favorably looked on compared with the rest of his work.
To trivialize this topic further I personally think that, in his mind, Hendrix was aiming the bombs at that freaking conga player. Have you seen the whole Woodstock performance??!! Get that guy off the stage!! It looks like Hendrix tells him to shut up a couple of times but he won't quit.
The band is an interesting transitory lineup that I think was thrown together quickly. With Mitch Mitchell from the Experience and Billy Cox from the yet be formed Band of Gypsies. There seems to be a lot of other redundant players on the stage. |
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 11 Jan 2009 9:57 am Redundant or not...
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| ...you just gotta love Larry Lee's fringe curtain headband! |
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 11 Jan 2009 10:24 am
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I hazv to agree with Ron Whitfield and Steve Gambrell. I believe Jimi's version of the SSB was done with respect. It was his way of sharing his patriotism with that particular audience, by interpreting the song in a way that they could relate to. I do not believe he was mocking it the way Roseanne did.
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