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Topic: High G# to F#? |
Chris Bauer
From:
Nashville, TN USA
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Posted 19 Nov 2008 3:50 pm |
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Anyone out there lowering their high G# to F#? I can think of a ton a ways I'd like to use it but wonder about problems with the plan...
Too light a string to sound good with that much slack? Other problems?
Anyone tried it? If so, what did you find?
I would put both G#s to F# on my vertical knee lever. |
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Jon Light (deceased)
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 19 Nov 2008 4:05 pm
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I lower the high G#>F# on my Carter for the specific purpose of getting a B pedal split G. But forget about putting it on a vertical lever (I think). It's a long throw, only possible on a lateral lever, if at all.
My Fessenden can't do it. So on the Fess I just lower the 3rd string to G on and raise the 6th to A on the same lever (my purpose is to get a Mooney downward rake of an A7 without having to jump to the 1st string for the G-note.)
But the bottom line is that it is a long throw. A .012 helps but it's still more than I think you want on a vert. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 19 Nov 2008 4:45 pm
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| isn't that somehow inside out from how we grew up, chris?? |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 19 Nov 2008 4:48 pm
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| oops...then of course i realize my low G# goes to F#...never mind....just wanted to say i miss your humor...talked to pam e-mail wise the other day!! |
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Paul Redmond
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 20 Nov 2008 1:02 am
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I use this drop occasionally on my Whitney S-12. I also lower #6 at the same time. I made an accelerator to make the throw on #3 coincide with the throw on #6. Pics of it are somewhere on the Forum from about a year or so ago.
When not in use, I disengage it and the KL moves only #6.
PRR |
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Jerry Bull
From:
Republic, MO, USA
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Posted 20 Nov 2008 1:48 pm
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I lower Both G#'s to F# with LKR and when I lower my E's with RKL I get a major V chord from the open position (Key of G, 3rd fret). also when you hit the B pedal at the same time you release the LKR it sound real neat, And I have incorporated it in some licks that helps also use the 2nd string more. I had to do something to get my brain out of the rut of playing the same crap over and over again. So I guess mainly for me it's just a "challenging tool" to force myself to think outside of the box. Great topic 
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 20 Nov 2008 9:11 pm
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| If I am not mistaken (I may be), a good many steels cannot lower the high G# a whole tone--the changer itself doesn't have enough travel. |
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Paul Redmond
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 20 Nov 2008 11:08 pm
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Brint - That's true. Every guitar is different in this respect...not good...not bad. But there are so many variables that it would take an encyclopedia to get thru it all. Balance springs, changer design, rivet/(changer axle) location, ratios incorporated in the design of the changer, balance spring length/diameter/tension, even rod-binding as the 'lower' arm of the changer moves drastically forward. These all enter into the equation.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 20 Nov 2008 11:15 pm
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Before you go too far down this path, try pushing the lower finger with a screw driver to make sure that it will drop the string all the way to F#. Most changers can't do it.
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Paul Redmond
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 21 Nov 2008 12:27 am
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Right on, b0b. Most changers will go into a 'bind' and the raise will begin to engage along with the long lower. This can be remedied in most cases, but I'd never recommend it for someone who has never worked on changers before. It could get real ugly.
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Jerry Bull
From:
Republic, MO, USA
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Posted 21 Nov 2008 8:33 am
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That's another reason I like my Carter so much, I haven't found anything that my hair brain schemes couldn't manafest on this thing. There are so many cool things to do to it. If only I could just make music with it, I'd probably stop trying to change it (duh) 
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Jerry Bull
From:
Republic, MO, USA
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Posted 21 Nov 2008 8:48 am
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I guess when you cross a "wanna bee" engineer with a guitar player and give em a pedal steel, you wind up with the type of sitchy-a-shuns that make me chime in on these topics. After all, what idiot would take a brand new steel guitar apart and change it around, it doesn't sound any different. That's what my wife says to her friends, I'm glad she didn't know how much it really cost her.  
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Gil Berry
From:
Westminster, CA, USA
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Posted 21 Nov 2008 8:56 am
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| It's not unusual to have a first string F# to G# raise. Does this raise change require less travel than the 3rd G# to F# lower? Anyway, if I wanted the sound, I'd engage the 1st string raise then release it. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 21 Nov 2008 10:26 am
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| Gil Berry wrote: |
| It's not unusual to have a first string F# to G# raise. Does this raise change require less travel than the 3rd G# to F# lower? |
Yes. It's a thicker string. |
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Tamara James
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Posted 22 Nov 2008 11:28 am
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| My LKL or G lever raises the F# to G# making a unison with the 3d string. Sweet sound. It came that way. It also lowers the 6th string to an F# making another unison with the 7th string, which is nice, but not near as useful to me right now. I use a .013 on the first string. |
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