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Topic: the worst thing i've heard in a long time (johnny cash) |
Jason Longoria
From: Texas, USA
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Tay Joslin
From: Clarksvillle, Tennessee USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2008 6:35 pm
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It's one thing to admire a great
artist, but this ain't right!
WHO AUTHORIZED THIS PROJECT? _________________ Laid-back Country picker with a laid-back Country mind; don't let the suit and tie fool you. |
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Bill Hatcher
From: Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2008 7:35 pm
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This is what kids listen to. Johnny Cash is so big these days. I was doing a project for an artist and I recorded some tracks that were way out of line with what the artist had been use to. I just said that it was in line with a "Cash" sound.....then they loved it.
The "remix" thing is a part of the biz these days. If you play the original Cash song for the kids....not much reaction, but when you put all the hip hop mess on it and some black guy gangstering it up...IMMEDIATE connection.
It's youth, hip, kids.....you and I are out of touch with all this. Face it. It is not a degradation of Cash. Cash is the only REAL thing in the mix. The rest is trash..but not Cash. (Sounds like Johnny Cochran).
It is really a testament to the power of his music that this was done.
I am not really in the know about what all the young folks love about Cash...maybe the rebellion and the realness of him, but for some reason he is really popular with them right now which I find facinating.
Maybe they will do the same with Webb Pierce!!! |
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Keith Cordell
From: San Diego
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Posted 10 Nov 2008 8:55 pm
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Agreed, it may not be your taste (or mine) but it is a way of honoring him, not trying to disrespect him. And it will make the Cash estate a bunch o' money. |
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Kevin Hatton
From: Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 10 Nov 2008 11:32 pm
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Thats racist. Someone needs to get sued for that. |
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Keith Cordell
From: San Diego
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 12:04 am
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Nt sure I get where it's racist, Kevin. What did I miss? |
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Stephen Gambrell
From: Over there
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 3:10 am
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No racism at all, Kevin. It ain't the way I want to hear Johnny Cash, but it ain't racist. |
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Charlie McDonald
From: out of the blue
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 5:31 am
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I guess "in a long time" goes back to Cash and Bob Dylan doing "North Country Fair." _________________ Those that say don't know; those that know don't say.--Buddy Emmons |
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Tay Joslin
From: Clarksvillle, Tennessee USA
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 6:05 am
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Bill Hatcher said:
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It's youth, hip, kids.....you and I are out of touch with all this. |
I am 28, and am still a "kid" in certain
respects. Out of touch? Not me!
In all fairness, John R. Cash would
most likely praise this project if he
were still here among us; John was a smart
businessman, and this project will make
a fast buck for his estate. However,
the majority of Cash's fanbase is content
without projects like this one to
remember him by.
By the way, does anybody foresee a tribute
album for Snoop Dogg performed by an
All-Star Country line-up? It's time for
Nashville to return the favor!
In respectful disagreement with this project,
Tay Joslin _________________ Laid-back Country picker with a laid-back Country mind; don't let the suit and tie fool you. |
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Bill Hatcher
From: Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 6:20 am
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I worked some gigs with J. Cash playing guitar for him. Part of his show was with a symphony orchestra and part with just his band. He was equally at home in both settings. Would his hardcore fans hated to hear a symphony orchestra backing him???? The folks at the concerts loved it. They might not have even come if the symphony had not been backing him.
This is just another setting for his art to be presented in. The folks that will listen to this might not even be as interested if it were just the Sun records sound. The remix thing is attractive to them just as much or maybe even more than the artists music they are remixing.
Personally I do not care too much for all this remix stuff, but I do understand the biz part of it and the generation to which it is directed. I am just not a part of that generation. |
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Ellis Miller
From: Cortez, Colorado, USA
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 8:08 am
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Fortunately for the art world (including music) we have the forces of time as our ultimate critic. What will they be listening to in fifty or a hundred years? My guess is not the remix.
Somebody might want to be keeping a real close eye on the Mona Lisa. _________________ Ellis Miller
Don't believe everything you think.
http://www.ellismillermusic.com |
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David Doggett
From: Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 8:31 am
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If you don't like these modern kinds of music to begin with, you are going to hate it done over a country giant like Johnny Cash. I imagine many songwriters from other genres (show tunes, jazz, blues, R&B, rock), who didn't like country music, had their stomachs turned when their songs were done country style.
But these remixes seem to have been done with complete respect - that's why they chose Cash and these songs. These are musicians from other cultures, redoing his songs in their own style, while actually using his voice track. Some tracks are better than others. "Walk the Line" is probably the worst. "I Heard That Lonesome Whistle Blow" is one of the best. In some places, his original voice sounds too out of place, and they would have been better off doing the vocal in their own voice. In other places, nothing but Johnny's unique voice would work, and you can see why they used it.
Some people just object to the whole concept of remixing. Some people didn't like Natalie Cole remixing with her father's old songs, even though it was done very well and in the original style. The concept and results do seem strange, and maybe tasteless, at first. But when you think about it, if we have the technological capability to do this, and you can't get the original artist in the room, then why not? Purists will say, "Is nothing sacred?" And experimentalists will say, "Well, no, nothing is sacred. If you can do it, and it's interesting, then go for it." Nobody has to buy or listen to this stuff if they don't want to. Obviously some people do want to. It's a big world.
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Keith Cordell
From: San Diego
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 8:33 am
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[quote="Ellis Miller"]Fortunately for the art world (including music) we have the forces of time as our ultimate critic. What will they be listening to in fifty or a hundred years? My guess is not the remix.
That is, as I recall, what they said about rock and roll about the time Johnny was getting hot on the scene... |
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Blake Wilson
From: Boulder CO, USA
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 8:42 am
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Wow, pretty horrible after just a few seconds of sample listening!
Funny thing is, this sort of remix was parodied last year in the movie "Walk Hard", the faux-biopic of a very Johnny Cash-esque character named Dewey Cox. Cox is at a low point in his career, and it's revitalized by the rapper "Lil Nuttzak" who samples Cox's big hit from the '50s. ("Cox and Nuttzak?! What a package!" says Dewey's manager). The video, made for the movie as a parody of rap videos, is meant to show that this sort of remix is pretty ludicrous...but that didn't stop Snoop et al from doing it for real. Here's the video (Warning: not safe for work or much else!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiXOhVwHAjI
Life imitates art? Art imitates comedy? Rap imitates satire? Someone can't tell the difference? If you can handle this type of comedy (firmly in the Judd Apatow vein, e.g., "Forty Year old Virgin" and "Knocked Up"), "Walk Hard" is a very funny movie, and I actually love the songs and own the soundtrack.
Regards,
Blake |
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Bill Hatcher
From: Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 8:54 am
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Ellis Miller wrote: |
Somebody might want to be keeping a real close eye on the Mona Lisa. |
8-0 |
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Mike Neer
From: NJ
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 11:35 am
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I don't mean to be a fly in the ointment here, but I liked some of it, particularly Folsom Prison Blues. I'm always fascinated with some of the stuff remix artists come up with. It doesn't always work, obviously, but I've heard a lot of really excellent stuff, too. _________________ Links to streaming music, websites, YouTube: Links |
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Chris LeDrew
From: Canada
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 11:53 am
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Charlie McDonald wrote: |
I guess "in a long time" goes back to Cash and Bob Dylan doing "North Country Fair." |
_________________ Jackson Steel Guitars
Web: www.chrisledrew.com |
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Theresa Galbraith
From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 1:23 pm
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I never was a fan of Johnny. He didn't use steel.
Anyway, atleast he maybe heard more on the remix session?
Johnny doesn't get airplay here in Nashville much. |
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Steinar Gregertsen
From: Arendal, Norway, R.I.P.
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 1:34 pm
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Theresa Galbraith wrote: |
I never was a fan of Johnny. He didn't use steel.
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Seriously? You don't like music that doesn't feature steel, out of principle? Too bad for Chopin...
I always listen to the music first, and if "my" instrument happens to be missing, then all the better,- I can add it myself! _________________ "Play to express, not to impress"
Website - YouTube |
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Andy Volk
From: Boston, MA
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 1:48 pm
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Working in video for 20+ years, I can appreciate the power of the editing room to transform raw materials. Johnny Cash's original recordings are indelible and no, I don't think anyone will be clamoring to hear the re-mix 100 years from now. While it's not the kind of music I would ever seek out I can appreciate the skill of the remix artist in creating something that uses Cash's original cuts as simply inspiration and raw material to make something else entirely new and different. Does it always work? Hell no. Walk the Line, the remix rather sucks but Get Rhythm actually isn't bad. If sculptors can create sculpture with "found objects" can't remixers? Especially if they pay a usage fee to the Cash estate? I try to approach it all with open ears. |
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Tay Joslin
From: Clarksvillle, Tennessee USA
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 2:11 pm
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I try to approach it all with open ears. |
I find that to be commendable.
The trouble is that I have a
one-track mind. Living in Memphis
has opened my eyes and my ears to
many genres and many styles,
but nothing as of late to get
excited about.
And to Theresa Galbraith:
I respect the fact that
John R. Cash was not an
advocate of the steel guitar,
but he did indeed bring enough
business to Music Row to keep
a whole lot of pickers in
business. For that reason,
he deserves our admiration.
The truth is that John and the
boys could not afford a steel
player when they started here
in Memphis, so I guess he just
got used to not having one. _________________ Laid-back Country picker with a laid-back Country mind; don't let the suit and tie fool you. |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 2:40 pm
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But when you think about it, if we have the technological capability to do this, and you can't get the original artist in the room, then why not? |
But when I think about it, I think that just because you can, doesn't mean you should... |
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John Steele
From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 2:43 pm
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I try to be objective about modern musical styles, but I'm afraid the extreme narcissism and orgy of egomania that prevails in hip hop is just too much for me.
And, once again, Snoop Dog proves my point, within 10 seconds of the start of the "walk the line" remix, we have the inevitable "snoop dog is here" announcement.
Yes, never fear, listeners.... for I, The Great One, am here to save this cut from the scrapheap; The great, the incomparable, the brilliant, the unequaled, the much-heralded, the wonderful ME.
What a knob.
-John |
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Theresa Galbraith
From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 3:08 pm
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Thanks Tay,
Still not a fan, I might have been one if he used steel guitar.... |
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Alvin Blaine
From: Picture Rocks, Arizona, USA
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Posted 11 Nov 2008 3:32 pm
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I don't know where some of you get your info, because Johnny Cash did use steel and Dobro, when needed.
One of my all time favorite albums, from 1960, is a Johnny Cash album with Shot Jackson playing steel & Dobro.
This album also had the top ten hit called "When Papa Played The Dobro". So not only did he use a steel guitar, he even wrote songs about steel players..WOW.
Johnny Cash's music was always about the story. It didn't matter what instrumentation was used as long as the story gets conveyed to the listener. It could be him reciting words to an orchestra or just singin' with an acoustic guitar.
If these new remixes get the story of the song across, then I would bet that Johnny is happy about it.
It was all about the ride, not what you were ridin' in! _________________ http://www.oldbluesound.com/about.htm
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