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Steve English
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Baja, Arizona
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Posted 23 Nov 2008 12:39 pm |
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I've become a push/pull owner this weekend and have a few questions.
I have Clem Schmitz's P/P Methodology DVD and book coming, but just can't wait to get under the hood.
I've already made small adjustments to the action of P1 and P2, by adding a little more play. Those two pedals play very easily now and feel much better.
I've figured out how to adjust the knee levers to fit my legs, changes some stings, and got the tuning procedure down....
However, what is the purpose of the little springs (arrow #1)? This is pedal 2 (G#-A). Are these used for timing the pulls between the two G#'s? If so, do you use different size springs to adjust the timing?
What is the piece (arrow #2) called?... a collar?
Thanks for any help.
Sure love the way this one sounds! 
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Earnest Bovine
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Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 23 Nov 2008 1:05 pm Re: p/p newbie question
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However, what is the purpose of the little springs (arrow #1)? ] |
As those springs compress, they allow the cross shaft to rotate a tiny bit more after the raise (or lower) has completed by hitting its stop at the changer. The additional small rotation of the cross shaft allows all the other pulls to finish at slightly different times. Then after all the pulls have reached their stops, the big screw by the pedal rod hits the cabinet and prevents you from pulling too hard on the pulls rods and changer. |
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Paul Norman
From:
Washington, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 23 Nov 2008 1:24 pm
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Steve, I just PM d you. Please answer with email.
Thanks. |
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Paul Norman
From:
Washington, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 23 Nov 2008 1:26 pm
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Show us a picture of the front side. I bet it is
pretty. |
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Steve English
From:
Baja, Arizona
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Posted 23 Nov 2008 3:42 pm
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Paul Norman
From:
Washington, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 23 Nov 2008 4:41 pm
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The Carter website has good info on push-pull and
all-pull guitars under steel guitar resource. it even
shows how the fingers move and work and the rods and
extra little springs. |
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Mark Eaton
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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 23 Nov 2008 5:44 pm
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It's a nice looking Emmons, alright.
But it kind of pales in comparison to that bougainvillea! 
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Brandon Ordoyne
From:
Needville,Texas USA
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Posted 24 Nov 2008 5:24 am
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Nice looking Emmons 
Brandon
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Eric Philippsen
From:
Central Florida USA
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Posted 24 Nov 2008 6:00 am
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Nice looking push-pull.
It's great that you're getting into the mechanics and workings of the guitar. But be careful, though. As you might know, push-pulls are different animals from all-pulls. Adjusting one change can easily and unintentionally throw another out-of-whack. Then, pretty soon, everythings a mess. Changing a simple, worn, or broken spring can even do that. That holds true even for those, like myself, who consider themselves mechanically minded and familiar with steel mechanics. That being said, there are those "push-pull gurus" who can adjust a guitar so that it plays like butter and its tone is maximized. I take my p/p's to Dave Peterson by Chicago.
Best of luck to you and, again, nice steel! Welcome to the push-pull owner's club! Oh, and for the best tone don't overtighten those neck screws! Tighten them JUST ENOUGH for the screw head to seat in the underside. That's a biggie. I did a post on that a few months ago. |
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Steve English
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Baja, Arizona
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Posted 24 Nov 2008 9:29 am
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Thanks for tips and info!
When I received this guitar, the pedals were a little stiffer than I prefer, a couple of the knee levers were at less than desirable angles (at rest), and all three of the pedal stops were at least ¼” away from bottoming out when fully pressed.
After tinkering with it over the weekend, the pedals are all adjusted with the stops working correctly. I added play to all three pedals, assigned the #2 pedal pulls in different holes on the fingers in order to time it a little better, and adjusted a couple of the knee levers.
I just started out working on one raise until I was comfortable with the mechanics (lots of give and take with tuning the stings and adjusting pulls), and then moved to a lowering pull and did the same thing.
I’m really happy with the feel of the guitar now. The pedal are very smooth, the levers all hang perfectly vertical with excellent feel and travel, and the guitar tunes up and plays excellent.
I made a trip to Ace hardware for a few replacement springs, and some hex set screws that needed replacing until I can get the official Emmons parts.
Overall this experience made for an excellent weekend for me. I really thought I was going to be in big trouble about right now…….but life is good.
Also, I’ve always been a RKL kinda guy for lowering my E’s. This guitar is setup with LKR, and after playing it all weekend, I’m quite comfortable with it. I found I can move back and forth from this guitar to the Sho-Bud setup with no problems.
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Steve English
From:
Baja, Arizona
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Posted 24 Nov 2008 10:13 am
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So....where does a fellow get an Emmons T-shirt these days?
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 26 Nov 2008 8:01 am
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Good luck with that Emmons, Steve.
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Lynn Stafford
From:
Ridgefield, WA USA
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Posted 26 Nov 2008 8:11 am Emmons PP
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Steve,
It sounds like you have everything under control now! Please let me know if I can help in any way and welcome to the PP club!!
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Lynn Stafford
STEEL GUITAR WEST
http://www.steelguitarwest.com
Steel Guitar Technician (Restoration, Set-up, Service and Repair work)
Previous Emmons Authorized Dealer & Service Technician (original factory is now closed)
ZumSteel Authorized Service Technician
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John Lacey
From:
Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada
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Steve English
From:
Baja, Arizona
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Posted 26 Nov 2008 8:42 am
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Thanks Lynn,
I'm using a few pics of one of the guitars you recently restored and put up for sale as my motivation! You do beautiful work.
I had a great first weekend with the instrument, and on Monday found John Lacy's setup guide. Over this long Thanksgiving weekend I plan on doing an extensive cleaning and fine tuning.
If I find that I need some parts or professional services, I'll certainly give you a call!
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Steve English
From:
Baja, Arizona
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Posted 26 Nov 2008 8:47 am
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John,
I really enjoyed your web site. I followed your instructions on two of my three pedal just last night, and was very happy with the results. Thanks to the confidence I have in your procedures, I'm having fun trying different setups (different finger holes and pedal travel).
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Bobbe Seymour
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Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 26 Nov 2008 9:31 am
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Steve, your guitar needs work from what I see in the pictures, broken springs etc. It will play hard in the poor condition the setup is now in. There are a few good P-P techs in the US, I'll help you find one where you are if you wish.
With your guitar set-up correctly, it should be as wonderful as any guitar anywhere and sound better than all! 
I have 43 years playing a P-P professionally and still love about everything about them. (but loaded doubles are a little heavy by todays standards)
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Bobbe Seymour
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Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 26 Nov 2008 9:33 am
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Lynn will be a good source for info for you, he's a great guy.
Bobbe |
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Steve English
From:
Baja, Arizona
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Posted 26 Nov 2008 9:59 am
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Thanks Bobbe,
I've already replaced a number of small parts with hardware that I matched up at our local Ace Hardware.
(a few of the springs, and hex screws, etc....)
I've got my "O'fish all" list already started for ordering the real Emmons replacements.
I actually have as much, if not more, fun doing this than playing sometimes!
Thanks for the offers!! I appreciate it.
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