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Topic: Sho~Bud with pedal noise |
Dave Ristrim
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Whites Creek, TN
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Posted 21 Aug 2008 3:30 am |
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Okay, I haven't really played around with a Sho-Bud for awhile. But this one seems pretty noisy to me. When I press the pedals, I can hear lots of pedal noise, i.e. clunking, come through the amp. I'm guessing part of it is because the pickup mounting screws go directly into the body itself. Anyone have any suggestions on how to quiet this beast down a little?
The steel has the old style headstock (lightning bolt), but the newer pot metal undercarriage and fingers if that helps. This thing sounds awesome and I can play it as is, but I want to use it in the studio and think the pedal noise might be too much.
Thanks in advance,
Dave |
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Al Udeen
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Hendersonville Tn
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Posted 21 Aug 2008 6:43 am Electrical tape
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| Dave! When I was with Gretsch doing the Sho-Bud playing seminars back in 75&later I would put a few turns of plastic tape around the metal piece that butts up against the pedal stop screw, That would eliminate the loud clicking that was caused by metal to metal when pushing the pedals, I hope this helps! |
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chas smith R.I.P.
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Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2008 9:21 am
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| I use Dr Schol's (sp?) toe pads. It looks dumb and it works pretty well. |
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Brint Hannay
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Maryland, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2008 9:39 am
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| I assume the guitar has the original Sho-Bud pickup(s)? A good percentage of these have become more microphonic over time because the top flat warps and/or loosens. A rewind by Jerry Wallace will take care of that, and the pickup will sound at least as good as original. Great service from a good guy. |
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 21 Aug 2008 10:00 am
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| cheer up dave, you look a little sad in your avatar! |
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Dave Ristrim
From:
Whites Creek, TN
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Posted 21 Aug 2008 2:32 pm
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| Keep the tips coming. I also noticed that the part that receives the "hook" end of the pedal rod touches the body when it returns to rest. I will put a small pad of some kind there as well. My Carter has little felt pads on it in that same area. Good idea I think. |
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 21 Aug 2008 2:52 pm
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Yeah--I put pads there too---obviously allowing enough pedal return room for the pull-trains to come to a rest.
When I received my 12 string Bud last year it too transmitted a lot of mechanical noise thru the pickup. I sent the pickup to Jerry W who informed me that the winding really wasn't too bad but I had him go ahead anyway. And sure enough there's not much difference now. Which leads to the question---if it is indeed a matter of the mounting method, does one dare screw with that? Part of the tonal/timbral signature of an electrified instrument is the relationship between the pickup and the body. To truly isolate the pickup from physical vibration might be messin' with mojo. Actually, with a six string sometimes a microphonic pickup is part of the mojo too---go and expertly pot it and you might be sorry.
I'm still looking for things I can muffle but I've got a feeling that this noise transfer thing might be part of the nature of the beast. |
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 21 Aug 2008 3:56 pm
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. My '82 Sho~Bud Pro 1 was bad for transmitting pedal noise through the pickup. That was a pot metal guitar. I didn't ever get around to rewinding the pickup, but then again I never had that problem with any of my other Sho~Buds. My Professional is dead silent through the amp.
I recorded with that noisy Sho~Bud and it wasn't noticable in the mix. You could hear it when it was isolated, though. I thought it sounded pretty cool, although I can see a producer in a major studio going off his rocker.
My first course of action would be to rewind the pickup, to eliminate that possibility. After that, I'd get rid of the guitar. I'm half-joking, but not totally. 
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Leon Campbell
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Texas, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2008 4:12 pm pedal noise
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I've had 5 Sho-Buds, Three now and never had noise from pedal go through the amp. I do have pedal noise but not through the amp. Sounds like pickups to me.
Hope this might help. Leon |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 21 Aug 2008 6:40 pm
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For my Mullen, I fashioned some washers out of soft foam and placed them between the heads of the pickup mounting screws and the pickup. That helped a bit.
By the way, I don't have that problem with the stock single-coil pickup. I have had that problem with several humbuckers, though. |
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Al Udeen
From:
Hendersonville Tn
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Posted 21 Aug 2008 7:59 pm Quiet Mullen
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| Lee I'm surprised that your Mullen was noisy in any way! I have two Mullens that are extreamly quiet! Del built my D-10 in 94 & I bought an 07 SD-10 to cut my weight down on most jobs, I believe if more players tried a Mullen before buying a guitar, They would choose a Mullen first! I've owned dozens of guitars, but Mullen tops them all! Never break strings, Stays in tune from job to job, plays like butter, Looks great & sounds Increadable! |
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James Morehead
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Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 22 Aug 2008 6:43 am Re: Sho~Bud with pedal noise
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| Dave Ristrim wrote: |
| When I press the pedals, I can hear lots of pedal noise, i.e. clunking, come through the amp. I'm guessing part of it is because the pickup mounting screws go directly into the body itself. |
Dave your pickup is going microphonic. Get it replaced or rewound. All of my buds had this same issue, pedal noise through the amp. Infact, some were bad enough you could tap on the legs with your finger picks--noise right through the amp. New or rewound pickups solved the problem.
Nothing special needed for mounting them, either, just screwed directly to the wood body--traditional shobud mounting method that has worked forever. Mine are as quiet as a church mouse now. You will not hear ANY noise through the amp, (besides my lousey playing). I use rewound original shobud pickups and/or Truetones. |
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Dave Ristrim
From:
Whites Creek, TN
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Posted 22 Aug 2008 7:03 am
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I will probably try a newer pickup to see if it helps the noise. I may also pot the original pickup with wax.
Any more tips are welcome.
Dave |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2008 7:26 am
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James Morehead speaketh the truth.
If you do rewind it....get Jerry Wallace to do it...rewound to 17,500 and 11,500 on the coil tap if you have.
Or Jerry makes the truetone for the Shobud...and get the same ohmage.
There is no better pickup match than the work of Jerry Wallace for your shobud.
Ricky
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James Morehead
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Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 22 Aug 2008 7:36 am
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| Ricky Davis speaketh the truth. Jerry Wallace is very reasonable on his prices. Cut through the chase and save yourself the hassel, don't bother rewaxing that pickup--just send it and get it rewound. 17,500 and coiltap at 11,500, and you are back to playing in tone heaven. MHO |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 22 Aug 2008 11:16 am
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Dave, I know nobody likes a wise-guy, but the surest way to completely eliminate the Sho=Bud noise is to switch to the Carter ...... 
Bwood |
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Dave Ristrim
From:
Whites Creek, TN
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Posted 22 Aug 2008 11:45 am
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Bring it on B-Wood! It's always good to hear from you my friend.
Dave |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 23 Aug 2008 10:21 am
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Miss you, Dave.  |
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Brian Henry
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Posted 23 Aug 2008 10:33 am
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Dave, My LDG was a noisy beast when I got it new in 1982. It rattled and clattered like crazy. When I used to play Orange Blossom I got all the train effects free of charge.
However, I replaced it pretty quickly with an MSA, and then a Carter. I was glad to get rid of it. I get the same great sound with my Carter MINUS all the rattling rods, and clattering of pedals.
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Dave Ristrim
From:
Whites Creek, TN
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Posted 23 Aug 2008 10:57 am
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| Don't get the wrong idea, I love a good Sho-Bud. It's just been awhile since I've dealt with them. I will tame this beast and make it work for me. |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 23 Aug 2008 11:24 am
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Al - My Mullen is just as you described. It's a wonderful guitar and the mechanics are very quiet. The only noise that I am aware of is when the pedal bottoms out against the stop. For some reason, all the aftermarket humbucking pickups I've tried pick up that noise. It produces a bit of a "thunk". The original Mullen single-coil pickup doesn't seem to be as sensitive to that noise as the humbuckers.
Lee |
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Brian Henry
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Posted 23 Aug 2008 5:04 pm
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Oh! I meant to say that I sold my LDG to Bobbe. He said that he would cure the noise and resell it.
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Brian Henry
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Posted 25 Aug 2008 2:43 am
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If the mechanics of Sho Buds in the 70's/80's had not been made of inferior pot metal and thrown together in such a hurry, there would have been no need to retrofit them, and I would probably not have replaced mine with a Carter.
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Remi Villeneuve
From:
Montreal
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Posted 12 Oct 2008 12:52 am
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Hi guys !!
A little up to that topic just to share my experiment with you guys...
A few weeks ago I noticed that every hand movement or pedal release was coming through the amp on my old and beloved 6140.
After seeking all the forum in every kind of way to get a solution I just ended up ordering a new TrueTone from JW.
I ordered it a few days ago. In the meantime I hung around on different guitar forums looking for "microphonic PU"... A friend of mine told me about wax-potting. So I said to myself.... nothing to lose and maybe I can save my stock PU. So last night I did some PU cooking in the kitchen. 20 minutes in the hot wax (150°F / 66°C). I dipped it as long as bubbles were coming up. The pickup rested all night long in Scott Towel and this morning I re-install everything on the Guitar !!!
 IT WORKED
No more noise, better tone and the last but not least..I saved my ols Sho-Bud Pickup !!!
I'll probably ending up installing the Truetone though. I need a safe gigging solution. But if you have the same symptom (noise, hum, hyper sensitivity...) try the wax-potting recipe. It worked for me and I am a poor cook (except for chili con carne).
Cheers
Rémi |
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Lewis John Foote
From:
Dorset, UK
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Posted 12 Oct 2008 1:12 am
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howdy, whats the correct way to hot wax, or cook a sho-bud pick up, thanks, lew.
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